To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

[Hullygully]

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

The cost of living with disability has to be borne somewhere. In years prior to care in the community that was the NHS. Now carers are financially supported to care for people with disabilities in the home. It's actually much more cost effective this way.

These cuts could lead to more people having to go back into residential care and therefore drive costs UP.

Hence opposition to the Welfare Reform Bill as it stands now.

To make myself clear I do not oppose Welfare Reform but I certainly oppose the current proposals as they stand now.

Peachy
Perhaps your humour is not that good!

yeah..............

that'll be it

That is called SARCASM Ilove

hth

Surely Peachy was saying that she defined all people she liked as left wing, not that she liked all left wing people.

Perhaps your ability to interpret logic strucutre is not that good! :)

I quite left wing people, they often make me laugh!

'Mother and baby' homes? Certain posters on this thread are beyond ridiculous.

I am aware that the plural of data is not anecdote etc, but here I will go anyway:

My mother did part of her training in a home for people with MH problems. In that home there was an 80 yo (approx) woman who used to walk around wringing her hands and not really speaking/engaging with anyone. My mother asked why she was there and was told that she had entered the home when it was a place for unwed, pregnant mothers. They took her child when it was born and she was became so institutionalised that she never left.

I know that I am banging my head against a brick wall. I know that people who suggest these places are for the greater good of society aren't worth getting stressed about, but it seems like people like that have the voices taht shout the loudest and stretch the farthest, therefore resulting in a society where people actually believe this shite. Even when faced with the financial reality of their suggestions, such as in Peachy's lost post.

I like people left and right wing, as long as they have compassion

lack of compasssion definiely my big no no

Anode I see nobody arguing against deficit reduction; I see plenty arguiing against which groups in society should bear the brunt, and indeed against a media campaign that has, to be blunt, done a right job on anyone on benefits regardless of the cause of their need.

Somehow in the media a disabled person is the same as a lifetime shirker; a sinngle aprent entirely at fault, anyone jobless could enver possibly have worked ever no siree and there are plenty of jobs for everyone if only they would bother.

this is not reality.

The planned changes will end up costing us a fortune, the deficit restructuring plan is a joke given how much more costly it is to have people unemployed and claiming than employed and paying tax; and it assumes that everyone claiming has chosen it, and is therefore valueless. The most valueless of all appear to be the children of claimants, gien the lack of CB now on top of cap.

If I were saving money would I go after Vodaphone or carry out the plan to prevent families with 2 or more disabled children getting help with the second? Slash the olympics budgets or maintain tax credits support for kids on middle rate DLA?

For me it's a no brainer.

And I would stop the odler people's fuel allowance and add the same amount on to pension credit, thereby effectively means testing without adding any extra admin costs into the equation. It is ridiculous to make carers and children homeless whilst still paying allowances to well off people on tha basis of age. Ditto free TV licence. Existing systems render the old anti- emans testing arguments useless.

Good thinking, Peachy.
Does anyone who winters in the costa del whatevers need a winter fuel payment? I know Peter Stringfellow tried to give his back.

However if someone pointed out to me that the above move is a bad idea and gave reasons I'd consider that - many here are hearing the case for disability benefit claimants and completely dismissing it despite compelling economic reasoning!

Fascinating to see that labour bought so much loyalty with an unsustainable benefits system...and it worked!

Certainty agree about winter fuel benefits and free TV licence we should not be giving these to everyone.

anode.
When you make cuts to public services and welfar that are swifter and deeper than have ever been made before yes even in the dark days of Thatcher you are essentially strangling the ecomony.

I am opposed to the cuts for moral and humane reasons, but also for economic ones.
Noone is suggesting that we borrow and spend like there is no tommorrow, but there has to be a balance between careful public spending and simply shutting for business.

In the US (which has the least supportive welfare state of western nations) people are literally begging for food because their benefits only last a certain amount of time, and there are no jobs in many parts of that country.

Limiting welfare sepnding has not helped the U.S's budget deficit.
If anything it is worse because the economy just keeps shrinking.

Even the tories have now realised that we can't survive on these policies, and have been talking about investing in infastructure (which interestingly was Gordon Browns recovery policy.)
(Not that I am a fan of New labout-I think the way they let the banking sector fuck us all over in the end was disgraceful. They were responsible for letting that industry go unregulated, in line with Tory policy.)

Cutting EVERYTHING the way the present lot are doing is like paying off your credit card but not leaving yourself enough for food.

HTH

hahahahaha coral

If you mean me again I have said umpten times we are a working family

I hope to be back in work soon, close to having my MA so could be well apid even.

The benefits sytem needed an overhaul; it is how it is being done that stinks. And if I have any options apart from LD and Tory I will not be voting labour again.

Next random insult without looking at facts please? Quitr possible to be aooposed to a sparty and it's, IMO, horrific politics of ghettoisation without having been bought.

BTW even a little time in leftie thhreads will show you that labour party sycophants is not it at all

The lack of someone worth voting for is very much hot topic right now

And, coral, some of us are even (gasp) higher rate tax payers. FFS, common humanity is not related to income.

Oh yes.
I couldn't be more disappointed in Ed and Co.
ATOS was a labour decision.
They are doing BUGGER ALL to stand for the most vulnerable in society and at the moment disgust me.

"Fascinating to see that labour bought so much loyalty with an unsustainable benefits system...and it worked!"
That is a very good point.

Hullz, you see a bit, stabby today. Whatsup?

Or

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NorthernWreck- The spending cuts are being staggered over the period of the Parliament in an attempt to avoid causing a fiscal shock. However to do it any slower would lead to further increase in public debt (it went beyond £1 trillion today) and to not have a serious plan to deal with the structural deficit puts us at great risk from a collapse in confidence on the bond market and a spiking in our bond yields which tends to lead a debt spiral and we would require external assistance to get us out of it.

We're fucked anyway anode - the Euro crisis will ensure that. But, sure, let's make the poorest pay for this mess - why not? Who else should pay?

I am Not on benefits coral and ilove. Not that I find that an insult.

More shooty than stabby, Abs

Of course we need a plan! But this one aint working.
And since I am fifty quid a month poorer It doesn't feel very staggered to me.
I have lost confidence in the ability of the people in power to do anything but protect their mates and stuff everyone else.

Don't worry about it shirl, coraltoes is full of nasty little insults today.

Everyone is paying for this mess, the Government has increased the general level of taxation in the economy and is reducing the amount it spends on public services. To say we are all screwed because of the eurozone problems (which I agree are a major problem for our economic future) is very defeatist and I find it bizarre that because of it we should willfully pursue fiscal policies that increase public debt to unsustainable levels and risk national bankruptcy.

OP, a case of mouths shut and wallets open, presumably?

I'd like to shoot those Fuckers at Vodafone and Boots that are cheating this country out of tax they should pay.