To expect a midwife to carry out termination duties?

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To think a midwife has to carry out these duties and not claim religious discrimination because she's catholic?

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Charlene, it is totally irrelevant whether you think it is murder or not. They signed up for a job, they should do the job (the whole job), if they don't like it, they leave. Very very simple.

I am not religious at all, i just do not agree with murder.

Here's an honest question - are there no places where MWs and drs who feel strongly about this can work? In the private sector I mean?

I grew up in the States so the idea that you woudl have a 'Catholic hospital' isn't weird to me. Is there anything like that here, BadDay?

Its not like if the midwives refuse to look after someone else they have nothing else to do! They just do another job on the day.

As long as the service provision is there, does it really matter which individuals provide it?

I don't know what to think of abortions, but I know I could not care for a women before, during or after an abortion....... I would be so nervous of what to say or what to do.

In that case you shouldn't be a mw, what if you didn't know what to say or do if someone's baby died

Peasant (can't bring myself to call you revolting)
There are very few opportunities for midwives to work in the UK outside of the NHS.
No 'religious' hospitals that I'm aware of.

No you should not be allowed to pick and choose what you do. What happens to those mothers who are devastated at having to terminate for medical reasons who then are faced with midwives refusing to have anything to do with them. Sorry but these people are in the wrong profession.

I have been in hospital for an EPRC following a MC. It was the worst experience of my life which was made even worse my insensitive comments from a nurse. You only have to visit the conception threads to see that this sort of thing is not uncommon.

All religious health professionals need to just suck it up and provide the care they are paid to provide without judging people.

If its a partial misscarriage, then obviously yes, but if its a complete abortion on a baby with heartbeat then no, thats murder.

Most people with a heart will agree its murder.

Wow. So much for not using emotive language.

But I am Revolting, I am sitting here in my PJs drinking

Hmm I know you will disagree but I think whatmess is right. I have been that teenaged girl (not raped thankfully) scared as shit about being pg and on the receiving end of snippy comments from a HCP who assumed I was 'sleeping around with protection', her words.

I don't think a woman who has been forced to make that difficult choice should ever have to confront a GP who is basically telling her she is wrong. And I don't think MWs in the pay of the state get to decide which taxpayers they treat and when.

I know that's emotive but I think the right of women to have safe, legal, readily available healthcare absolutely trumps the private scruples of HCPs, much though I respect their moral consciences.

The thing is, they wouldn't be 'faced' with anyone refusing to have anything to do with them. They would never know or come into contact with them, unless there was an emergency in which that staff member would not be able to refuse care.

The shift co-ordinator on a labour ward would be aware of any staffs objections (and these are few and far between btw) and would allocate staff on the shift appropriately. Its not like those staff are 'getting out of work' and the same option to 'opt out' does not extend to looking after women having a late miscarriage or a stillbirth. Exactly the same 'work', but different from an ethics point of view. They are not shirking their responsibilities!

charlene - murder has a very precise legal meaning. An abortion is not murder. Your opinion is one thing, the facts are another.

Abortions should not be done as a form of contraception.

Peasant, thats part of my point. Do you want HCP's who don't agree with what you're doing but forced to look after you anyway because its 'part of her job', or one who doesn't have that view point and will give you respectful care?

Abortion is not murder.

Abortion is murder, you are taking a life, stopping a heart, so it is murder.

This thread's took a bit of a turn for the worse.

Of course abortion is not murder. It is not murder from a legal perspective and it is not murder from an ethical position either.

Ignore ignore ignore I say, let her froth to herself

BupcakesandCuntWorms You sound like you dont want to hear the truth, how many abortions have you had then .