To expect a midwife to carry out termination duties?

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To think a midwife has to carry out these duties and not claim religious discrimination because she's catholic?

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"i just dont see how any female with feelings can kill her unborn baby shes obviously a cold hearted women with no feelings at all"

A mother who's membranes rupture at 18 weeks then develops a life threatening infection. Heartless.

"alsoif a women was raped whichyes is horrific its still not the babies fault and loads of parents desperate to adopt so why kill the baby when he/she is not responsable for what happened to you"

You can't even write!

Rational i can write perfectly well when needed and when keys arent sticking on pc

I am pro-choice but don't think a nurse/midwife should be forced to assist an abortion in theatre but I do think if that woman is a patient on the ward that they are working on then they must provide the necessary pre-op and post op checks as they would do for any other pt on the ward.
Not quite the same but I am a mental health nurse, I had to escort a male 'suicidal' pt to court who had been sexually abusing a child and had been bailed prior to trial. There was nothing I wanted to do less I can tell you but when you go to work you met leave your morals and personal opinions at the door or sometimes you would not be able to do your job. Not always easy but you are not always going to like what you have to do.

"unfortunately there are, all too many."

I have to disagree Rational. Very small number of people in my RL hold these views. Maybe those who do are very vocal, so that you notice them more?

I think I'm going to hide thread as its going round in circles.
I would not judge a woman for having an abortion or her reasons but personally and professionally I wouldn't want to be involved in an actual termination.I also do not work within a women's and children's area. The midwives were being unreasonable not to supervise other staff undertaking pre and post care.
Staff have been able to object since the 1960s and another staff member would always be found as not to compromise care. This is not a new issue.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and neither right or wrong IYSWIM. I don't think this thread is a place to debate the right and wrongs of terminations, very emotive subject.

Also hiding the thread because reading incoherent ramblings of some is just tedious.

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It's really interesting to see a GP who is against abortion here. I appreciate your posting but also think you are wrong. Would you mind - if you're still around - saying what you'd do in the following scenario?

Teenaged girl who has been raped comes to you. She is shaken and desperately upset, perhaps dangerously so, and pg. You are the only female GP at the practice (am guessing you're a woman) and she doesn't want to see a male dr after what's happened to her.

What do you do? Say, 'Sorry you have to go and recite what's happened to you to a male HCP'. Or, 'Look, I know you've been brutally attacked and are pregnant against your will, but I'm not going to help you because I think you're to blame if you have an abortion.'

I appreciate you wouldn't use that language (!) but isn't the the essence of what you'd have to say to that girl? Do you really think that's a caring, compassionate attitude for a HCP to have?

Not trying to stir, just feel really strongly about this and interested in your thoughts.

Abortion is if course an emotive subject, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be debated. If you don't want to, don't, but are we not here for debate? I'd be bored shitless if everyone just agreed on every topic. Abortion is about women's rights, anything that threatens women's rights should be debated.

Try not to rise to the childish insults

We all have something we disagree with, and i disagree with abortion, ok if you think murder is ok, thats your sick choice, but i am sure most people with a heart will agree, abortion is murder

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Most people with a heart agree its not as black and white as you see it charlene.

No one can say it is not murder, its a baby with a heartbeat, and you take something or do something to stop the heart, so basically you have killed that baby, and when you kill someone its murder, sorry if you dont like the facts but its the truth.

Religious beliefs should never be allowed to interfere with medical care/treatment. If the midwives feel so strongly about this then they should leave their jobs. Imagine, asking to be paid a salary while refusing to provide one of the services you are paid for. What utter nonsense!
Just speaks of plain arrogance and self importance to me.

charlene, in the eyes of the law, it is not murder. A fetus has no rights until it can live independantly of their mother and is not recognised as a person until that time. You cannot murder a 'non-person'.
To change this stance in the law would mean the start of a slippery slope whereby womens reproductive rights and rights over their autonomy over their bodies will be slowly irradicted.
We don't want things going like they are in some places in te US.