To expect a midwife to carry out termination duties?

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To think a midwife has to carry out these duties and not claim religious discrimination because she's catholic?

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Oh good grief Jux - because they are not actively ending a life! Is this difference really not obvious to people?

Or if you don't consider it a 'life' - they are not actively terminating a pregnancy.

"...they shouldnt be expected to have anything to do with murdering an unbornchild abortion is murder"

There you are bumbleymummy, do you respect this opinion?

This woman is calling me and the other women on this thread who have had terminations a child murderer. Does she have the right to judge me?

abortion is murder the only difference is people that have abortions get away with their crime they should be tried and punished as any other murderer they are taking a life simple

As a product of a very devout Catholic family, completely surrounded by them all my formative years, the most any of them would have said about abortion was that they wouldn't have one themselves. What happened to judge not lest ye be judged, compassion, kindness, and all that.

I asked my entire family - massive family do - what they thought I should do if I was scheduled to work in the theatre where an abortion was scheduled. The response was that I should be kind and do my job as well for that person as I did for any other. That we are all frail, and all that stuff. It's a damn shame more people don't think like that.

Why do you think I have the right to judge her for her opinion? Are you judging her for feeling that way?

X post jux.

well if they need to be put to sleep for the abortion there life should end as well if awake then there punishment would be to never be able to have another child and any other children to be taken off them and no i am not catholic i just hate murderers

charleanna, that is quite a srtong view and quite disgusting imo.

You're assuming
'They are, albeit indirectly, saying that these women have loose morals.'

Charleneanna, as a Catholic - and I assume you are - you should strive for greater trust in his ability to deal with those people whom you see as murderers when he chooses to do so, in the way he sees fit. You have no way of knowing all there is to know of any other person, let alone a stranger on a ward, even if you have access to their notes. Unless you're omnipotent too of course.

Believe in your God, he is reputed to be just.

bupcakes I understand your sentiment (entirely) but your post breaks the rules. Please ask for it to be removed.

Oh Charleneanna. No. Just no.

Charleanna I am pro-life and generally anti abortion. However, in the UK abortion is legal, when it wasn't many women died and actually they didn't deserve to do so. One can try to change minds by rational argumentand education; never by unkindness. Unlike you I am a practicing Christian; because of that I have learnt to forgive and to empathise and to understand that customs and beliefs have to change over time and with the times.

x-post. Charleneanna, you are not a Catholic. What is your excuse then?

I'll ask for it to be removed when the posts made by Charleanna, which are FAR MORE offesnive than mine, are also removed or singled out for requests for deletion.

i am not catholic in fact i do not beleive in all the bollocks about god and afterlife but i do think abortion is murder plain and simple and you cannot argue the foetus is alive with a heartbeat and you have something done with your consent so that baby dies and as you have allowed it to happen then you have comitted murder

Sorry, haven't had a chance to read the entire thread.

I am a midwife working on a ward where terminations are carried out. Midwives can opt not to be directly involved with these procedures, if they cite conscientious objection. However, this does not include refusing to care for women pre/post procedure or refusing to delegate these tasks to others. Even my most staunch Catholic colleagues wouldn't dream of this.

As other posters have said, if you choose to work for an organisation where terminations are carried out, then being - at the very least - indirectly involved is what you sign up for. If you don't like it, fair enough; leave.

I can't see how they think they can win this case.

hmmm well charle you can think what you like, but in British law it is not possible to murder a baby until it is a separate living entity from it's mother which only occurs once the umbilical cord is cut. I was interested to see that it isn't considered to be murder if a baby is killed after this time if the mother was suffering PND.

bup yes I agree that your comment is less vile but the rules are the rules....

bup jux please dont! I would much rather MN contained you and not the likes of some others on here....consider the rest of us please.....

"You're assuming
'They are, albeit indirectly, saying that these women have loose morals.'"

It is a natural progression from agreeing that the midwives have the right to their belief that abortion is wrong. Women who have abortions have looser morals than the midwives in question as far as some are concerned.

Shit, that should read - ...the right to believe that abortion is morally wrong.