To expect a midwife to carry out termination duties?

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To think a midwife has to carry out these duties and not claim religious discrimination because she's catholic?

bbc link

"Rational how would you know somone is a kiddy fiddler"

My sister worked as a nurse in a prison, she knew she was dealing with peadophiles.

Sorry, double post.

Thats because she was in prison and knew why they were there. Most HCP's meeting the general public will not be privvy to that information, in most cases. In someways she was lucky as she know what she's dealing with.

"Rational - I think in this case the 'late term' abortion is up to 24 weeks so not necessarily due to a debilitating condition. Women can abort a perfectly healthy foetus up to 24 weeks according to the current law. Abortions after 24 weeks and up to term are only allowed for medical reasons."

I know this, I didn't question that. I only referred to unhealthy foetus' in response to others.

On nhs wards when we have prison inmates or people in police custody we often have no idea of their crime unless it's relevant to their illness so would be unaware if they were a "kiddy fiddler"

Rational right in a hospital you only have the medical notes to go

interestingly the article states that one of the midwives in question has already been redlopyed to another part of the maternity service.

I wonder what has happened (that hasnt been reported) that has prompted this action. A change in service? Change to job description? I only question this as otherwise I would assume that they have been required to supervise this aspect of their work for many years and this is not something new to them when they accepted the role in the first place.

"Thats because she was in prison and knew why they were there. Most HCP's meeting the general public will not be privvy to that information, in most cases. In someways she was lucky as she know what she's dealing with."

You think she liked treating peadophiles? She was professional and did her job, that was my point. The fact that it's unlikely that a nurse would know is irrelavent to my point.

redlopyed??? I mean redeployed

I wish you would address my other points Rational

And your sister didn't have to 'terminate' the paedophiles. did she?

"Rational, Can you not understand that for a lot of people termination of a pregnancy equates to the ending of a life? And that some people may have difficulty in being the initiating factor in that death?"

No problem, sorry I missed it.

No I can't understand it. They may well believe that terminating a pregnancy is ending a life, but they're wrong. Otherwise late term pregnancies especially would be against the law. Some very knowledgeable people have decided that foetuses are not human life, I'm willing to go with them.

"And your sister didn't have to 'terminate' the paedophiles. did she?"

That wasn't my point.

My point was that she put her own feelings about peadophiles aside and treated her patient.

BadDay - abortions post 19 weeks are usually performed under GA.

Actually for places like BPAS it's usually under GA after 15 weeks - dilation and evacuation using forceps and suction.

Rational if she worked in a genral hospital she wouldn't know they were peodphiles so she wouldn't have to put her feelings aside

One thing that strikes me about people saying that "well GPs have the right not to refer a woman for abortion and this is just the same thing". Surely this needs changing? I've had a termination and the doctor was not obstructive (was newly qualified and a bit hopeless, but that's different), but if I had encountered someone deliberately trying to block my access to a legal procedure carried out by the NHS I would have been incandescent. How on earth was this allowed in the first place?

"Rational if she worked in a genral hospital she wouldn't know they were peodphiles so she wouldn't have to put her feelings aside"

That's still irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.

I'm afraid bumbley mummy, you are very wrong.

In your opinion, they are 'wrong'. In 'their' opinion, you are wrong. Legally, it may not be recognised as a life yet, but morally, opinions and beliefs may differ from your own.....

"How on earth was this allowed in the first place?"

Mainly to allow for people to bow out on the grounds of their 'faith'. Faith still gets a lot of deference in UK policy making.

Alconleigh I cant recall offhand the details of that but I think I am right in thinking that a GP who declines to refer a patient themselves (on moral grounds) has a duty to ask a colleague to review the patient/complete this.

I meant that 2nd point to Rational

No the point your makeing is irrelevant

at least I think thats the case

Its less about 'faith', and more based on 'moral concious'