to envy/hate people on benefits to be as well off if not better than us

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I know that this post may have some mixed reviews and may even get me slated but I can,t help it.
Someone I know although she is a genuine case her and her husband have as much as me and dh coming in and with a brand new car thrown in for good measure.
I can only dream of a new car and I work my tripe off 5 days a week as well as dh whilst some people can sit at home and get the same income coming in it seems really unfair.

yes you can get it along with out of work benefits, and along with wages.
it isn't an out of work benefit

yes you can get it along with out of work benefits, and along with wages.
it isn't an out of work benefit

It really annoys me the way DLA comes up unfailingly in all these discussions. Looks like the government has done a great job of brainwashing people into believing disabled people are scroungers.

Peachy Mon 09-Jan-12 19:07:29
I heard a rumour that being disabled can happen to anyone and we are all a bus ride away from dependency but that cannpt be true, surely it only happens to lazy people?

i have heard and seen that.
I think it is true.

sevenfold I don't think anyone is suggesting that.

Have only just had time to return to this thread but I will reiterate my previous comments - it is indeed true that I know several families who are milking the system and laughing at those of us who work.

With regard to the comments upthread about the chap with 'depression' playing football - he does not suffer from depression. Can you not see that was the point I was trying to make?
I know this family as the chap concerned is in a very close relationship with one of my family. He openly laughs about the way he's fiddling the system. His girlfriend used to work in the mental health field and has coached him on what to say to his GP etc.

This is just one family - there are millions milking the system in the same way. Please don't insult my intelligence by telling me otherwise.
No-one is saying that the genuinely disabled or vulnerable should not receive state help, but there is a huge benefits culture out there.

I would also question whether large families should recieve much in the way of state help. The argument that anyone can fall no hard times doesn't hold much water, frankly. However many children you have, you surely should have a back up plan in place for those unforeseen circumstances.
I am in my 50s. When I was young it was the norm to care for your family and cope without state help. And if that meant mum or dad doing two or more jobs, then so be it.

My own father struggled to better himself in later life. He managed to land a local authority job 15 miles from home but we had no car - couldn't afford one. So for the year of his employment he walked to work (we lived out in the sticks with no bus service). For a whole year he walked or thumbed a lift 15 miles to work, until he could afford a small car. Would anyone do that these days?

I am lucky enough to be a high earner and yes, I do object to paying thousands of pounds in tax to support families who failed to look to the future before having a family.

millions milking the system. Sorry. I dont believe its millions.

So Boffy, what was your backup plan in case one of your children or yourself became disabled. Im waiting to learn.
I had my kids while dh was in full time employment in a good job. We hadnt planned the last one would be brain damaged because like most people we didnt think it would happen to us. And I certainly didnt plan to break my spine either.
But I am interested in your crystal ball technique.

Thanks for the link to the radio interview Peachy. Sue Marsh was great. All respect to that woman. Maria Miller talked the talk, in fact I think she was rattling off exactly the letter she sent to me when I'd written to my local MP about PiP and he couldn't be bothered to do anything except forward it to her. Wow.

What's all this talk of goats then? do I qualify? Or maybe I'm not disabled enough

Millions milking the system bollocks.

3 million are on DLA. Your statement implies that you believe at least 2 million are fraudulent.

Evidence?

You're right bottyflow. I should have looked to the future and realised that both my children would be born disabled even though there's no genetic connection and it was merely bad luck.
I should have looked to the future and realised that my sons father would have died aged 30 and my daughters father would have run off and left me when she was only 10 months old.
I should have looked to the future and known I would be hated by people who have much better circumastances than me because I have the audacity to claim benefits to live.

blueballoon :(

and yet, there ARE millions who do not claim what they are entitled do because of posts like the OP's, the general attitude of the more ignorant and generalising and that of the government. It's a sad state of affairs all round.

Perhaps you could do the right thing Boffy. I'm assuming you have a house. Put it on the market at 1999 prices and start a trend to get houses affordbale. House prices and rents are why working people now need CTC and HB. the majority of people claiming CTC and HB earn up to 24K. The average wage. yet they need state help just to survive. And I think its ridiculous house prices.
Back when my kids were little there wasnt CTC either. but then on a wage of 20K we paid £300 a month for a 4 bed house. Now we pay £1100 yet with the same wage.
Thats the issue.

Ooh yes, Boffyflow,please tell what back up plans you have laid?

(please make sure you cover all the various shit that life can throw at you).

Anyone got a spare crystal ball? I would like one please

Maybe I will see a future out of all this benefit crap, and actually go back to being a happy house?!

Maybe the crystal ball can provide a cure for DH's disability so we can get the right treatment NOW rather than in the future?

Oh, I see, it doesnt work like that does it.

The average cost of energy bills does not do anything to help anyone, working or not. There are the bills that cripple us all.

Boggy, I made a point, waaayyyy earlier in the thread that some Carers actually save the Government money. I do for sure.

What would you say to benefit scroungers who do that then? Because even if I earned a wage, DS's care would cost far more than the tax from my wages could cover.

So please do share your ignorance wisdom there?

Millions? How bloody ridiculous, even DWP don't claim that!

We had back up plans; well two earners was it in the main. Only Dh's redundancy led to MH issues that meant he could not cope with the disabled boys so I still had to do it. AT NO TIME HAS HE EVER been unemployed- he had 2 jobs before redundancy (bloody slacker), one PT and that one he still does whilst qualifying, and plans to take FT when he graduates this year. During his previous traineeship (waged) I worked two jobs too. Fundraising for major charity then on college admissions desk by evening shift.

I plan to go back to work this year too, if anyone will have me anyway.

In fact my total 'state drain' will have been 3 years out of my lifetime, all carer's allowance. Where's my red cape and trident?

No Tax Credits when I had first 2 either, and didn't really qualify when we had second boys. Like to think we won't again soon.

but becuase we are earning and not becuase of a stupid Goernment's rules.

And of course DanJARM said her husband gets forces benefits so clearly he enver ever worked oh no LMAO

I think almost all people are saying on this thread that people that disabled people need to have care and support from the state this must be part and parcel of living in a civilised society. However there are many who are not disabled who milk the system without making any effort to get a job. This culture needs to stop as we can't afford it anymore.

I have been out of work and so has my DH but we both worked night and day to find another job and took jobs that paid considerably less as we felt this was much better than claiming benefits as we were both more than capable of working. Those who can work need to rather than waiting for benefits.

can someone please explain the following to me because rightly or wrongly there is something i do not understand (& i will listen to your answer & learn from it).

why is criticizing one person on benefits, in my case, DPs bro, so controversial? i dont think is any thing like someone looking after a sick child.

Nah, he just toured Iraq (twice), Afghanistan and Kosovo (twice) for the holiday!!! Got a nice tan while he was there!

I also worked full time prior to having DD1. Part time for 6mnths after DS was born but as DH was passing out through meds/pain while caring for baby DS and toddler DD2 (as best he could considering he couldnt walk without crutches (slings were handy!) I had to jack that in for everyones safety.

Good for you and I agree with your ethic but how, may I ask, can you ensure that those people who milk the system are caught without affecting those who are in genuine need? What are the boundries? how will you prove this?

These are the problems that we are facing now. Yes everyone agrees that the system does need to change but the changes they are proposing are going to hit those in need the hardest, through no fault of their own and the ones who need them most.

I have no problem with certain issues with the benefits system as it is. It does get abused but disability benefits are the benefits with the lowest fraudulent rate. But it still gets lumped in when a benefits bashing thread starts.

Except that most people seem to think that they have a right to say who is entitled and who is not - when that job is actually the governments and it's not as straight forward as it appeared.

ilovecoffee - WHERE ARE THE JOBS????

As I asked earlier, with the spiralling numbers of people being made redundant, on top of those already seeking employment, where are the jobs?!

I am having to move 700 miles to hopefully get a job - it will take me the next 6 months living on the breadline to do it. Not everyone has that option, especially if in council housing or owning their own property.

I will be giving up my housing association house to private rent, call me stupid, but what is the point in having an affordable house here if I cant get a job?!