To be annoyed after visiting the Feminism section?

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Sorry, i know its Christmas but i got annoyed.

What the fuckedy duckedy is going on here then? Hully on the thread and the love isn't spreading... Mince pie anyone?

as Custy is here, I would also like to say, that as always when it comes to teens, she is right re not creating drama with teens getting you where you need to be :)

What size/budget/colouring?

eh?

Well....

This has gone a bit weird, which is saying something considering where the thread has been so far.

Tethers - large, cheap and red?

Well I thought it was hilarious.

Whoops, I mean I thought Teths was hilarious - not the thread. Oh no. The thread has been woeful to be honest.

Any size. Budget c. £1trn. Any colour on the brown/white spectrum.

I can't stand mentions of Custy and Moldies on the same page; it makes me think of a pan I once found in a kitchen cabinet!

And fabric. And washability ( avoiding dry-clean only) and what you can wear it with, and durability and value for money and lots of things. Being a world class shopper is hard work, tethers.

MJ, I shouldn't have used passive-aggressive crossing-out-ness on such a sensitive thread. I apologise.

I have covered my real thought about the matter on my new back-to-basics thread, here.

Im confused as to whether you want a response here or there so have reliied

I didnt realise this was a serious thread.

In that my experience of the feminist section is that it is a political philosophy or movement thrust forward with through the loudest dictator like voices unwilling to hear other views. Oppressive, dictatorial and unwavering controlling the subject on the board through terror, bullying and censorship. unwilling to hear of opposition.

in that context and that definition. your 'nationalism' is feminism itself. i stand by it and will not apologise.

The term "fascist" can colloquially refer to anyone with intolerant views. I think some debating went on over the colloquial use of the word when Bush said it about Muslims at some point- i think its fair to say that colloquially this is how the word is used in a widespread context... but willfully disregard, wordsmith away and paint yourselves into the portrait that i already see. I received some strange PMs also. Which proved my assertion i think.

there are a lot of things that need to be apologised for

-The invoking of Godwins by bof
-The accusations levelled comparing feminists to murderers and rapists by stewies
-The personal tone from you anyfucker?
-The strange PMs from others

• this list above is not exhaustive by any means

What i could apologise for is being rude, but this would mean that i wont be rude in the future - or the apology will be meaningless.

This would be all well and good in a debate - a reasonable debate i would apologise for being rude, but i can't do this here because this isn't a debate. rudeness is clearly the order of the day and i will not turn the other cheek in some Jesus-esq better-person rubbish whilst the loudest dictator like voices continue to shout - yes - shout, wordsmith, willfully misunderstand and twist meaning. be astoundingly reductive in their reasoning....then no i will not.

I have said before and i WILL SAY always that i will not be bullied here on mumsnet. The loud voiced feminists who have chased so many off the boards - those who agree with them, those who self identify as feminists - just wont engage anymore. The amount of times we are told to not read it or not post if we don't agree - that's just been posted again.

The feminists on the mumsnet board are not the feminists i know and like - nay ADORE in real life. IMO the mumsnet feminist board does not encourage debate but stifles it. and It is a shame with a huge platform such as this.

The irony of what those 'feminists' are doing is completely lost on them clearly. So yes apologies - many are to be had here. When i see a change in tone, maybe i will see true debate and change my mind, maybe i will feel bad and think i got it wrong.

but by my definition, i haven't, in my opnion - obviously.

i'm so glad that there are so many willing to apologise, let me see this goodwill of man [generic] and i promise you on everything i hold dear that i will apologise for being rude.

"What i could apologise for is being rude, but this would mean that i wont be rude in the future - or the apology will be meaningless."

Crikey. That's a strange turn of mind, in light of your then final sentence. I've not really been on this thread and I'm happy to be sorry.

i think you missed the point linerunner if you are willing to just apologise for nothing-in-particular. the point of an apology is to mean it, which is what that particular line you picked up was trying to say.

OK, so you'll mean it, if others mean it?

I hope the Mumsnet feminist board encourages feminism.

It's certainly become a lively corner of feminism and is known about and appreciated by feminists not on Mumsnet.

e.g. Bidisha comes and posts articles here. That's quite an honour an internet feminist board attracting journalists who want to be read by people here.

Right- I've checked in again before bed...Custy, I'm puzzled why you are upset about me calling Godwin? The most 'famous' fascists are surely the Nazis, so it wasn't a massive leap to make, really. I certainly didn't mention it to be hurtful- I was trying to be light-hearted and gently suggest we all drop the bickering. I suppose too that I was trying to take the sting out of the insult for others who might fight it really nasty to be likened to fascists. I'm a socialist as well as a feminist, and I think you and I have had a conversation about how we vary in our terminology regarding how we identify ourselves (I might try and look that up, actually)- I didn't actually take what you said all that seriously, and thought you were just being a bit flippant, but if I chose to, I could be quite upset at being compared to genocidal maniacs, even though we probably have a lot in common because we want to stand up to injustice.

I think, custy, you need to go to bed

and no, there is no "personal tone" from me here

just a bit of disquiet, actually

But redwinegum, I don't ever see anyone talking about men and their sexuality. No one ever says "as a man, I feel confident as a sexual being". I find it really perplexing that women have to be sexual at all times whereas men don't.

Don't get me wrong, I have no desire for women to all go around in sacks or whatever, and I probably don't dress as people imagine a feminist would, but this constant talking about not letting go of your femininity is confusing to me. I'm not even sure what being feminine means.

I've lived in other countries as well, and in most of them, I find the attitude towards feminism even more disappointing than here.

I also want to know what redwinegum means by "letting go of your sexuality"

do you mean turning into a frigid man-hater ?

why do i need to go to bed AF and who are you to tell me to do so? i find this partonising and reductive. taking a parental stance to force me into a childlike role.

i percieved a tone in your post that you made directly to me which was personal in a way that i had not been personal to you. you may call that disquiet if you please.

Go to bed indeed. Disappointed in you AF. behave

im not upset BOF. It's just plain wrong that;s all.

custy, ditto