To be annoyed after visiting the Feminism section?

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Sorry, i know its Christmas but i got annoyed.

good post garlic.

So now feminists (on MN) are bullies? And shouty and cliquey.

And The section should consider the men. Cos everything's fine now, the feminists are making out things are awful when they're not. Etc etc, blah blah.

Sigh.

Oh Hully. I know what you did Hully. You got drunk and tried to macerate a tampax didn't you?

Well, this thread has given me a real Christmassy glow, I must say. I think I'm out, Godwin or not.

no revoke on that godwin before you leave

and i will revoke my large flower print wearing comment as a kind of peace offering

Oh Hully! the minute you walked into the pub BOF left. I'd take that personally if I were you. Did you wash off your arm after having it down the u-bend?

Fellatio, you know that post where you took issue with "intellectual smugness" and "contemptuous enjoyment" ?

you are doing it now

perhaps you didn't realise

Barf

"If I stated that I like Cheese sandwiches and I think more people should eat them.That doesn't mean I am belittling every other sandwich filling or inferring that Ham is bad. I am just stating that I like cheese sandwiches.
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So if I like ham and you like cheese surely the answer (if we are liking them to DV/DA) is to have a cheese and ham sandwhich, and not argue about it.

NO that I have read that post back and thought WTF!!!

What I mean is surely that if a subject impacts both genders it should be seen as none gender specific.

should say now not no

I wrote a great long post but sadly (or luckily) the macerator made all the power blow and it went away.

Anyway, I think it's all very silly and unevolved. So shoot me.

Surely "the Feminist Board" is inanimate? How can "it" be accused of anything?

Interesting point, Boney, that DA affects both sexes. The vast majority of domestic violence is perpetrated on women by men. The vast majority of the remainder is perpetrated by men in single-sex relationships.

However, I've not seen any definitive figures for psychological/emotional abuse by gender. It's widely accepted that women are much more likely to inflict such abuse on their partners but, afaik, there aren't any good data. Apart from anything else, EA is vastly under-reported.

But ... is female abuse of men a feminist issue? I'd argue that it isn't, except in so far as it can be a response to oppression.

Hully - if you'll send me a bottle of what you're having, I'll come over and unblock your pipe

Most people, given half a chance, seem to be a bit horrid, I'd say. The means and methods depend on physical strength and access to power.

I hate bullies. And the equation of feminism and bullying is anathema to me.

garlicnutcracker

If feminism is as it it alledged to be about equality then it should be taking an interest in both genders when both genders are affected.

I would also like to know if/how single sex relationships are sorted in the data
from what I have found 17 - 45% of lesbians have been the victim of at least one act of violence perpetrated by a female partner and and that 30% of lesbians have reported sexual assault / rape by another woman.

I can't find the supporting numbers.
and its an american report hence the female rape.
but how do these play into DV/DA figures?

Not wanting to think it happens doesn't stop it happening, Calli.

The means and methods depend on physical strength and access to power. - this is a feminist issue, Hully, isn't it, because unequal access to power is the fundamental feminist point? I think women are just as horrid as men, given the chance. I find it sexist to stereotype women as inherently nicer! But that was an unpopular view on our Feminist boards last time I looked ...

garlic, just type your opinion without harking back to old arguments

it will help, really it will

No, I meant that feminism clearly is equated with the right to bully on here.

I was wondering the same thing Boney. WhenGarlci said that the next largest group after male on female DV was male on male DV I was wondering whether that was purely a number reported incidences, or whether it was a proportional representation of DV in gay relationships. Again, these are the kinds of figures that mean nothing unless you know how they have been extrapolated.

And AF I don't understand?

Feminism is about inequality as it affects women, Boney. Obviously you can't look at the issues without also considering issues faced by men. But it's not about "equality" without bias - or it wouldn't be called feminism, would it? Should a racial equality movement concern itself equally with the problems of white people?

I love everyone with Boxing day Goodwill and I believe that one day we will overcome gender and all be human beings with different bits that respect and are kind and loving to each other.