To be annoyed after visiting the Feminism section?

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Sorry, i know its Christmas but i got annoyed.

I think you're doing a good enough job yourself, AF.

I have pm'ed you, callip

Oh, is it very threatening?

oh, and it's quite safe to open it

no bullying in evidence at all

i don't recognise the feminist section as the nest of vicious bullying that it is being portrayed as here - this hasn't been my experience, nor have i seen it

admittedly i am not on every thread, though i do lurk

i have seen, posters disagree, quite strongly, and then go on to discuss other things on other threads quite amicably - i am thinking particularly certain pro and anti porn/sex industry posters

myself, i can think of posters that i have disagreed with re: trans, gender and feminism, but done so respectfully

i suppose the difference is that everyone involved had accepted as a basic premise that women were human, with all the rights that this entails

it is very hard (impossible) to discuss with someone who, for instance, thinks that sometimes women deserve x, or it is their own fault if y, or who insists that the fact that z happens to some alarming proportion of women is purely coincidental and is most aggrieved at any sugeestion that it might indicate some kind of pattern worthy of being looked at

I do like the numbers on the Fem board

2 women a week is actually 1.5.. but its rounded up then averaged

the numbers are/where 85 women on average per year
not 104.
also interesting to see that from the quote earlier its men that do the killing

when the comparative numbers for the menz are produced its always partner killings in that in may not be the wives that are doing there partners in.

I also love the way that figures from the same place can be disputed because it puts women in a bad light.

but ho hum.

I'm not a newbie. I'm aware of MN history. More importantly, of the history of feminism.

how funny that I am the one thought to be a threat

when Feminists are having their RL details outed and female bloggers are threatened with sexual assault on a daily basis for publishing stuff that threatens the status quo

it's also interesting that even though it was deleted, all the people slagging the regulars on the feminism thread have had not one word to say against a male poster who told us that what we needed was a good seeing to

because that's acceptable to some of you, obviously

ef your experience is not the world experience. It's great, for you.

My upbringing was not like yours. In our house, my mum did everything and worked full time. If she didn't, she got the crap beaten out of her by my father. Not everyone can get out when they should - have you no understanding of the reality of living with DV? Well, lucky you.

EF, seriously, it's great for you that so many of the people you know have equal relationships. That doesn't mean that everyone does or that it's easy to get out of an unequal one.

precisely, belle

I understand that. I think it a pity that other women blame firstly your mother as the victim, and then would blame you for not having a better example as a child

it's really a shame

and the shame of it (when faced with the judgement of people like some on this thread) keeps some women in awful relationships

I mean why didn't your mother just tell your father to stop kicking the shit out of her ? I mean, it's simple really

I was wondering about the highly offensive "need a good seeing to remark" and the complete lack of any response from the feminist critics.

But if we're not polite to someone who talks about us like that we're meeeeeeeeeannnnnnn buullllllllllliiieeeees, boo hoo, sob, sob, get out the onion for more tears.

The problem is you all look hyporcritcal complaining about the feminists who haven't done anything, but letting that one go by.

Then again, ad hominem and attacking people is the best way to avoid actually engaging with arguments.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie

Its hard to say something against something that you (I) haven't seen.

The numbers thing is interesting. Even if the figures aren't rounded up, so its 3 women per fortnight killed by their partners thats still a terrible figure. Are we meant to look at 85 and go "oh, well its 20 less than I thought, so thats OK."

It is not the case that an equal number of men are killed by their partners as women. More women are killed by men and within that number, a proportion of those are by women in self defense.

No killing is right, but women are more likely to be the victims and there has to be some reason behind that.

Maybe, thunderbolts, people just couldn't be arsed arguing with such a pathetic remark. I just don't find things like that threatening enough to argue with, because it's so ridiculous.

so, Boney, just because you haven't seen it...it never existed ?

you think I am lying ?

the comment was also repeated a few posts below

you could have agreed with me just now...but you chose not to

why is that ?

But the feminsits are threatening enough to argue with? Am I following you Yellow?

There won't be a thread about how some bloke on Mumsnet thought it was reasonable to tell a group of women how they needed a good seeing to just because he doesn't like what they say. There is a thread on Mumsnet saying how much some threads in Feminism pissed a person off, signalling the start of another round of attacks on feminists, including said remark.

Blah, I totally misunderstood your post thunder, sorry. Thought you were saying the feminists should have picked up on that remark.

The offensive comment got deleted, so if posters didn't read it how could they comment on it?

The post should have been left on.

And I thought MN policy was to ignore trolls?

I was a bit confused Yellow. I agree feminists were right to leave that little dropping in the gutter where it belonged. The thing is the people who say that we are the nasty ones seem utterly oblivious to all sorts of nastiness directed at Mumsnet feminists, including right on this thread, including that vile remark.

This was a while ago, but how can gaslighting exist on an internet message board? If something was said it can be linked to or copied and pasted. Perhaps we should start doing that?

no, yellow "the feminists" are supposed to rise above remarks like that

but pick someone up on their tacit support of a man who feels entitled to make comments like that, and you are apparently too apprehensive to open your pm box in case it is "too threatening"

'cos yeah, I go around threatening and terrorising other women all the time, I do

Have any of the Mumsnet feminists ever said anything as abusive about you as this Custardo:

"they are facists"

Is name-calling OK when you do it about a group?

I see we have hit wine o'clock.