to think that this was ridiculous...

[MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates]

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

AIBU?

I saw no physical violence.

I'm quite shocked at the people defending the young man's behaviour TBH. There was no body slamming, he was put off the train using reasonable force and tried to get back on. He fell over all over the show because he tried and failed to retaliate violently.

"Big man" didn't punch him.

MUM Do you mean an elderly person, or just a person older than the teen?

Jasper....he swore twice...how does that make him a thug?

The Big Idiot dragged him off a train and threw him....thug?

I am not defending the lad's behaviour...he was a gobby shite as I have said.

What I can't believe is how people are defending the thug's behaviour who dragged and threw him off the train.

Ignoring the young man's resistant behaviour much? He was "dragged and thrown" as you put it because he resisted. If he'd have not reacted in such a way he would have simply been walked off the train.

Trying to imagine an elderly person getting stroppy and swearing for being caught not paying the right fare.
Like others have said there was no violence and the bloke didn't punch the little twunt.
Maybe keeping the police busy and a court giving him an ASBO together with a hefty bill we taxpayers have to foot will suffice.
The guy who threw him off deserves a medal.

Which he should have voluntarily got off in the first place when he was found out.

Every now and again people have had enough - this would appear to be one of those times.

Sometimes the sheep turn.

Perhaps this kid learned this lesson, perhaps he didn't but sometimes the sheep have had enough.

It looked like he was trying to get him off and tripped.

Why should good honest people sit around for hours while that gobby entitled shit sits there and gloats and refuses to move.

I wouldn't class that guy as a 'thug' I think he was just trying to help the inspector out after the inspector could not make the 'kid' see reason and get off

He even asked the inspector. It's not like he just lunged and beat the kid, he removed him from the train and stumbled as he did!

Maybe he did need phsically removing...but that would have to be a decision taken by the Police,who are trained vigourously in restraint procedures. What now if as a result of being thrown off the train by the untrained member of the public resulted in the lad having his neck broken because the guy didn't know how to restrain properly? Would he have deserved a medal then?

Maybe in the end he did need to be removed...but by the lawful professionals. Not some have a go hero.

He wouldn't have been it that position though if he just walked off with the guy and didn't resist and most importantly try to get back on the train.

It's all his own fault

Shrug, it is a risk you take when you decide to piss people off.

Sometimes the person you piss off will not be a passive law abiding type.

You believe that the police and bouncers/doormen/women actually think about how to restrain people ?
If a police officer asks you to move on and you tell them to fuck off they wont treat you with kid gloves.
Just because they're lawful it doesn't make what they do right.
I didn't see any violence on the clip maybe you're over thinking it?

I don't like the boy one bit. And I don't think the situation was the train conductors fault.

But whether you call it physical force or physical violence, the sentiment that he got what he deserved doesn't sit right with me and neither does the applause. Not when he wasn't doing anything physical to anybody himself. The "He's holding up the train and being a little shit therefore he deserves everything he gets" attitude is just as entitled as the "I can sneak on without paying and gob off if I get caught" one.

I'm not objecting to the fact that he was forcibly removed (although yes to me it did look like a violent removal rather than just a forcible one), I just feel that the transport police were the most appropriate people to remove him and would perhaps have done so without putting the other passengers at risk of getting injured, because it is part of their job and they are properly trained and authorised to do it.

If I was dragged out of my seat,and physically thrown on to the cement of a platform...then yes I see that as violent.

It's about time that 'kids' learned respect for others and stop imposing their wishes on others.

It's the parents who think their children do no wrong who should be sanctioned, as well as the offending 'child'.

I think that society should stop bleating on about it being a "CHILD" from babyhood till the minute it reaches 18. Teenagers are not legally adults but they ought to be responsible for their actions and be punished for those which damage others. We wouldn't be in the mess we're in if parents stopped making damn excuses all the time.

Rather tellingly I am on bus sitting next to a sullen looking teenager with her feet up on the seat beside me next to the huge sign saying 'please do not put your feet on the seats' wonder what shed say if I said anything?

Still ignoring the young man's resistant behaviour which caused the more forcible ejection. And the leaping back on, which caused an even more forcible ejection.

NoOnesGoingToEatYourMincePies Yes....that's what I am trying to say. The physical side of it does lose the argument of the little gobshite.

Fanj prob tell you to fuck off. But that's ok isn't it?

We don't know what happened before the video starts, but notice that no one offers to pay his fare and many clap when big man returned

If he was young and polite at the start someone may have paid his fare rather than worry about him alone on the platform

I think they went over the top the way it was handled but it does always annoyingly amuse me when I get on our local tram and the conversation common amongst teenage boys is how they managed to not pay/will manage to not pay etc. as though it is their given right not to have to. Okay, a bit of fair dodging in an emergency but this is a choice they seem to be making all the time!

The scenario played out no different to if the police had to remove the guy. He would have still resisted getting off the train and would more than likely be dragged off and pinned to the ground because he was being difficult.

What difference does it make?

Anyone who has seen police removing people forcefully cannot deny that and you wouldn't be whining about his human rights and saying they assaulted him

Pmsl at bouncers being professionals on a level with the police. They're the biggest thugs out there, usually.

Unfortunatly despite wincing at the whole thing I have to agree that it's life, you piss people off and you might find you piss off someone who isn't very nice. The ticket collector shouldve called btp- it is their job to deal with this.

Not at all. If the Police removed him lawfully then that is fine.

My problem is with these people who think they can exercise their rights a s citizens in a physical way. It wasn't his place to do that. It is the Police who has the right.