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to think that this was ridiculous...

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MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates · 11/12/2011 23:17

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

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redlac · 14/12/2011 11:36

just looked at the local paper and his dad is saying that he diabetic. Guy who flung him off is an investment banker!

redlac · 14/12/2011 11:37

his dad is also saying ?He?s tried to get back in the carriage to get his bag.

?He?s diabetic and all his things were in that bag ? his medication, his university notes, his money, his mobile phone and his ipod. But he?s been thrown off again. This man has to be charged and have his day in court."

Well if he had money he should have paid the fare!

lesley33 · 14/12/2011 11:42

"I'm sure all of us break the law sometimes."

No actually we don't. I don't break the law ever. And I hate it when people justify their actions or beliefs with statements like this that are just untrue.

BaublesandCuntingCarolSingers · 14/12/2011 11:45

Even if I did break the law, I'd have the grace to bow out when called on it.

IloveJudgeJudy · 14/12/2011 14:54

I think the foul-mouthed non-fare-paying yob was a chancer who met his comeuppance. Perhaps he'll think twice next time. He was very rude to the ticket inspector. If he spoke like that to a football referee he would have been made to leave the field. The inspector was not a young man and I presume he thought he could get away with it.

His hard luck to meet up with a person who did a sensible thing. His belongings were not left on the train. You can see another passenger pass them out to him on the platform. Not only was he thrown off, but he kept trying to get back on when he didn't have a ticket. Why should transport police's time be taken up with non-payers all the time? The young non-paying adult should have bought a proper ticket and then none of this would have happened. I sincerely hope that the man who helped him off the train does not get into any trouble. I am of the view that if more people intervened in situations, society as a whole would be a better place. Many people talk about their rights, but with those rights come responsibilities.

sozzledchops · 14/12/2011 16:10

His bag wasn't passed out, it was thrown out which he didn't realise he was trying to get back on to get the bag. I'm not defending him and his behaviour but this could have been dealt with differently.

Lesley, I really don't believe you have never broken the law, what ... Never, ever?

nailak · 14/12/2011 16:16

he said he made a mistake with his ticket, and was sold 2 singles the same way instead of a single there and a single back, and was trying to explain it.

If it was an older man, wearing a suit etc who was explaining this, do you think he would have been treated in the same way?

either way the big man had no right to touch him, they should have called the police to meet them at the next station.

KatieScarlett2833 · 14/12/2011 16:18

Shouldn't piss off a Scottish train passenger.

Remember what happened to the suicide bomber at Glasgow Airport?

The gobby wee shite deserved all he got.

LineRunnerCrouchingReindeer · 14/12/2011 16:21

The guy who filmed it said on Breakfast News that the swearing had already been going on for five minutes before he started filming.

If it had been me, and I'd been sold two single tickets for the same journey, rather than a return journey, I would have explained it to the conductor and asked for assistance. Not that such a 'ticket mix-up' has ever happened to me or indeed anyone I know.

hiddenhome · 14/12/2011 16:22

Perhaps he'll remember to pay his fare in the future instead of living in The Land of Endless Entitlement.

dontletthebellsend · 14/12/2011 16:22

Its nothing to do with his age and clothes and everything to do with his attitude.

The police wouldn't have been at the next station, which was his station so he would have just walked off (unless he was going to wait for them which seems unlikely).

It could have been dealt with better but it could have been dealt with a lot worse (either by beating him or by doing nothing so several trainloads of people would be delayed by a significant amount of time and may have not been able to get home that night at all) but it could have been avoided entirely by buying a ticket or by not being a cocky shit when caught out.

BaublesandCuntingCarolSingers · 14/12/2011 16:24

"If it was an older man, wearing a suit etc who was explaining this, do you think he would have been treated in the same way?"

He wasn't explaining it, he was being a gobshite so your question is daft.

nailak · 14/12/2011 16:46

so if someone is swearing at me, then my husband has the right to knock them out?

mayorquimby · 14/12/2011 17:24

"I am of the view that if more people intervened in situations,society as a whole would be a better place."

Or you'll end up with more needless and messy violence. What would people advocate if the bloke being bundled off had been in a position to put up more of a resistance and the big-man had been injured?
As far as I can see while the smaller guy does seem to be acting a twat he poses no physical threat to someone, as such when the big-fella decides to take matters into his own hands it is arguable that he has a legitimate right to defend himself.

dontletthebellsend · 14/12/2011 17:29

He didn't get knocked out, he wasn't even hit, he was removed from the train and prevented from getting back on.

He wasn't just swearing, he was preventing people from moving, he stopped 100s of people from getting on with their journeys. If they had waited for the police then they could have been sitting on a freezing train until almost midnight. Why does it not matter that all those people couldn't get home, couldn't see their families, couldn't do their studies, couldn't get to their evening jobs, get to bed, get to their medication? If someone swears at me I think they are an idiot, if someone holds me captive then I will do my best to remove them.

NotnOtter · 14/12/2011 17:33

In the past when there was less knife and gun crime society looked after its own and the young had more respect...
I think a return to that in some sense would be good

NotnOtter · 14/12/2011 17:36

And bullshit that he was sold two singles - he was an arrogant cheat thief and liar as well as being rude disrespectful and abusive - his dad sticking up for him says it all

redlac · 14/12/2011 17:37

of course its bullshit NotnOtter - two singles my eye.

he's a wee nyaff who was chancing his arm.

FanjoForTheReindeerJumper · 14/12/2011 17:39

"he said he made a mistake with his ticket, and was sold 2 singles the same way instead of a single there and a single back, and was trying to explain it."

Don't know about you, but when I encounter an administrative error I don't swear and treat the person I am dealing with like crap.

dontletthebellsend · 14/12/2011 17:42

I did intervene in a non violent swearing moment when some teenage boys called my 6yo a fucking cunt and told her to fuck off and said to another little girl (8ish) to get her fucking tits out and called her a fucking bitch when she wouldn't. The other girls dad did nothing and really it was worse for his dd than mine because she understood them more. I would have rather intervened that sat on my arse and watched like the other parent. I pulled one of them off the climbing frame because they wouldn't get off and the girls were at the top too frightened to get down. Should I have done nothing? The girls weren't being touched, they just couldn't get down.

redlac · 14/12/2011 17:44

good for you bellsend.

redlac · 14/12/2011 17:45

(that was not meant to sound sarcastic btw) Xmas Grin

Lisatheonewhoeatsdrytoast · 14/12/2011 17:50

Unfortunately, i think he got what he deserved, i didn't see him speaking to the scotrail gent nicely, or calmly instead he sat and told him to fuck off repeatedly, If he knew he had been sold the wrong ticket then why didn't he check this before he got on. He was being arrogant and thought he was a hard man,that's all.
He was asked to get off the train and sat with an attitude, and continued to swear. IMO the guy who took him off the train, helped others on their way, and just removed him, like a bouncer would in a club!

Cheeky little get, and then i saw him on Scottish news earlier with his sob story, aye right, piss off!!

lesley33 · 14/12/2011 17:52

I stole a sweet from the pick n mix when I was about 9. Since then nothing. Why is it so hard to believe that someone doesn't break the law?

LineRunnerCrouchingReindeer · 14/12/2011 17:52

If someone was swearing at my children or my dad, and causing a nuisance to others, and I could remove them physically from their presence, yes I would do that.

dontletthebellsend apparently you are meant to call the police and wait for them to attend. I'd have done what you did. And those teenagers need to know that there are consequences from real normal people.