to think that this was ridiculous...

[MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates]

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

AIBU?

OrmIrian, I think are at the 'next station'. They have arrived at it and the conductor is saying, it's either money or 'Off'.

I am on the train now and beyonce i mentioned above had just been chucked off the train in the middle of nowhere because she has been rude to ticket inspectors and has no ticket .
All she needed to do was apologize and buy a ticket.

Well I would call a mugging a violent act in itself. Sitting in a seat and swearing at someone isn't the same as snatching someones bag from their hands and running away with it. Being sworn at quietly isn't the same as having your belongings stolen. So in the mugging situation I think it was appropriate for passers-by to intervene.

And even though he was thrown off the train, he had already had his free ride, if the posters here are right and he was just one short stop away from home. Waiting for the police might have meant he was forced to pay and perhaps fined as well.

Nothing, no amount of analysis or handwringing over the finer points of the law, will convince me the guy shouldn't have been ejected from the train, by force, as he made neccessary. Somethings just are. This guy caused all this and the public are heart sick of it and not about to take a moments more. If that looks like vigilantism (?!) to some, I think that's too bad. The over regulation has come full circle and society is sick of it.

No, no things "just are". Everything exists in context and society.

You know what I'm sick of? People thinking that mob rule is the best way and going on about our "soft" society.

I lived in Saudi Arabia, where it was fine for the police to batter you round the legs for not doing what they wanted. And where it is fine to hit your "servants" if they disobey you.

Do people really want to live like that?

In the city I live in, when they do random ticket searches they have several inspectors and transport police, because of mouthy and arrogant lads like the man in the video. It is very clear - you pay or get off. If you refuse they take you off and then issue you with the penalty notice.

This young man (not child!) was verbally abusing an old man, who was doing his job, because young lad thought he could get away with it. Someone else thought that the abuse that the ticket inspector was receiving was wrong and decided to help the ticket inspector out. He didn't hit the lad, but got him of the train, despite the lad resisting. The lad had done wrong and yet continued to resist being taken off the train, and then he tried to get back on the train! I can't believe he had the brass neck to continue to argue/fight. Surely knowing he didn't have the ticket should have been enough.

yellowraincoat I think you are losing perspective here. This country is so far removed from Saudi it's funny. Our society is soft and the result is disrespectful young men like matey. This was not mob rule, mob rule was over priveledged students and teens rioting helping themselves to trainers and tvs in August.

I don't want to live like that, seems neither did the big man or the train full of pissed off passengers.

Reindeer, good point. The extra ticket inspectors all cost money, paid for by law abiding train passengers. But hey, lets shaft them again, leave them sitting indefinately on a train to nowhere waiting for transport police to eventually show up and deal with it.

He deserved it simply for being a foul mouthed arrogant knob. It's simple, no ticket no travel.

"So what should have happened? All the passengers sit and suffer possibly missing connections so as not to upset the fare-dodger?
Why should everyone suffer because of him?"

Because lambykins has rights, you know? Rights that include not paying the same fare as everyone else and then delaying everyone else's journey home because he feels that he doesn't need to obey rules. But still, we must be supportive of him and buy him a ticket, apparently. We should probably wring our hands about why such a young man feels it unnecessary to purchase a ticket, too. Then when we get home, knit him some socks out of lentils to keep his feet warm on the walk home from his gratis train ride...

The annoying little twit didn't get his own way after all.

It always comes down to "rights" doesn't it? People talk about "rights" as if they're a bad thing. Everyone has the right to not be physically manhandled by another member of the public. Maybe you don't like that, but that's how it is. If you don't like it, why not stand for election and try to have it changed?

Yes, this country is far removed from Saudi. Thank God. Some of the stuff people spout on here make me think they wouldn't mind if we had a bit more beating with sticks round here though.

yellowraincoat I agree with you, rights are a good thing . I think the inspector had a right to go safely about his job without being abused. I think as an individual at the end of his rope, he had the right to accept help from a concerned citizen. I don't see any evidence of mob rule in this clip. I do think the powers the police have in a dictatorship such as Saudi are hideously abused and yet here in the uk, some people are increasingly desperate to bestow more than ever on our own fallible forces. I bet lots of the same people defending this young man and calling for the police are the same people who accuse the police of being heavy handed and of using disproportionate force at protest marches and riots.

Should the guy in this clip have waited until the police or inspector magically appeared? Because in this clip, doesn't look like there was any Big Man ready to help him out.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073496/Racist-woman-London-bus-YouTube-video-Yet-ANOTHER-racist-rant-filmed.html

Personally, I think that travelling without a ticket is just not really that big a deal. Certainly not a big enough deal to warrant flinging someone bodily off a train. The inspector could have issued him with a fine and then it's up to the train company to see that the lad paid it.

The whole big man/wee ned shit that goes on up in Scotland is one of the reasons I am deeply glad to be out of there.

You have just shown in that first sentance how much you missed the point here. It was never about travelling without a ticket, it was a big deal because he refused to discuss fines or give details to get fined or get off the train, all the while swearing at the inspector and suggesting the disgruntled, delayed passengers be told to shut up. In other words, he was not giving a fuck. You know that proper way of doing things you seem to like so much, rule of law and all that, procedure etc, well he couldn't care less about it. So why on earth you care so much on his behalf totally bemuses me.

It would seem you really are suited somewhere softer. Just watch out for the big racist lass on the London bus. Procedure must be followed and all that.

The rules don't apply based on how much you give a fuck about them, you know. I'd love to see how that would be applied, though. Super idea.

Eh? It was you who said it was not that big a deal travelling without a ticket, ergo, breaking the law no big deal, and yet you want all others to observe it to the letter to protect nobhead. Which is it?

Look at this facebook page...I-Love-dodging-train-fares-Catch-me-if-you-can

yellowraincoat

It is quite clear that you don't think it really matters that the man didn't have a ticket and was rude and swearing at the inspector when asked to pay or leave. You have also said you don't think the train should be held up to wait at least 30 minutes for transport police (previous poster who knows line said it would take a minimum of this for them to get there).

You said the train should have proceeded to the next station. Now I don't know the particular station the man was getting off at, but I know a lot of the stations round there are unmanned and that the station he was getting off at is a small station.

So according to you, elderly inspector is sworn at, etc and should just walk away. Man continues to his probably unmanned station, gets off and walks away. What impact does this have?

1. It teaches the young man that might is right. He can not bother paying for a ticket, swear and be rude to an elderly ticket inspector and nothing will happen.

1. It teaches everyone on the carriage that might is right and if you are aggressive and swear you are above the law.

1. It makes everyone on the train who feels vulnerable in some way, feel that bit more vulnerable as a petty criminal has clearly got away with something.

You may not think this all matters. But I actually think that it is small incidents like this that encourage more people to behave badly in public and make those who are vulnerable ever more afraid of crime and anti social behaviour. And I personally think this matters a great deal.

I didn't say there should be no consequences. I said he should have got a fine. "Might is right"? Please. You're the ones saying that flinging someone off a train is ok.

Both of them were in the wrong. I never defended the guy without the ticket.

Breaking the law is no big deal? Well, sometimes it just isn't. I'm sure all of us break the law sometimes.

People get so uptight about small things like this and totally ignore the bigger picture.

I'm leaving this thread now.

I see what you mean, yellowraincoat; tracksuit rat with potty mouth gets removed from train so that other fare-paying passengers can get home really equates to mob rule/Saudi Arabia here in Britain...

If everyone just did what they were supposed to do in the first place, there would be no need for things to escalate. Everyone pays their ticket, no-one needs to gob off at the old dude inspector, no-one gets journey delayed, no-one needs ejecting from train. But seeing as being a fare-dodging fuckwit seems to get you more support, maybe we should all refuse to pay for our tickets then kick up a massive stink when called on it. Imagine the fun.

How long should tracksuit rat be allowed to hold people up for before he is removed?

If someone was blocking my way in the street or stopping a lift from moving or something then I would use physical force to be allowed to continue on my journey and I don't see this as very different. He may not have been expressly violent but he was basically trapping all those people and it would have been even worse for the people on the following trains who would have been stuck between stations. They were saying on the news this morning it would take 2 hours for the police to arrive to remove him, which would take it to 11.30 at night and a lot of missed connections. Even if it was an exaggeration I imagine it would be at least 30-45 mins.

Not read all the posts sine I posted the other day but they have just discussed this on This Morning. Philip felt the police should have been contacted to meet the lad at the next station rather than him being thrown off, it was also mentioned that all his belongings may have been left on the train including his medication for epilepsy.

mumto2 - his station was the next stop and I very much doubt that the police would have been there in time for him to be arrested. Also we've had LOTS of coverage about this up here and that is the first mention of medication I have read.

He is now saying that he was given 2 outward journey tickets instead of a return - he is making it up as he goes along

'Twas on BBC Breakfast,too. The guy who filmed it,and an ex-Policeman. The Policeman had the view it should and could have been dealt with differently.