to think that this was ridiculous...

[MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates]

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

AIBU?

Agree Mayor regarding when you get physical. I've wanted to attack someone when they nicked my parking space but I'm not violent and that would be wrong, and they were bigger then me.

"they were bigger then me"

And this would be my issue with the video posted. Not that I have sympathy for the bloke who got bundled off the train, he seemed like a little twat. But that it was not the bigger blokes place to start using physical force because he was being inconvenienced by the actions of another.
As far as I can tell there was no physical threat from the fare dodger, nor was there any danger of a criminal act being committed as the train was not going to move until he got off.
As others have said would similar actions have been tolerated if used against an elderly person or a woman if they had similarly refused to move? afterall the inconvenience caused would be exactly the same.
So that is my issue with it really, not that I think the lad didn't deserve what he got, but more so people seem to be happy to condone the actions because it was against a person who would appear to fit into a group which people think are fair game for such treatments (ned/hoodie/chav/young bloke, probably happy to intimidate others the whole time etc.) and if that is the case you become in danger of saying there's one rule of law for x group and another for y.

Well if I was a passenger I would have been glad that the guy threw him off the train. The unpaying passenger hardly came across as appologetic for not having a ticket did he?

No he didn't, and like yourself if I was on the train I'd have most likely been delighted. Which is why in general we don't let people who are directly involved in a situation like this be the arbitrars of justice.
Because likewise if I was being kept up consistently by some twat singing/roaring his head off on his way home from the pub I might be glad if someone used violence to shut him up, that doesn't mean that I'd be in the right.

"However it has all made me very glad I rarely use public transport. If people are either all arsey or aggressive."

And I hate needing to use it so often because nine out of ten journeys are made unpleasant by little fuckwits like faredodger in the wanker's hat in that video. Maybe that's why I'm not that fussed that he got bundled off.

Exactly mayor.

Ticket dodger might well have been an utter prick (although we didn't hear the entire conversation)
SuperHero was an aggressive bully.

I know who'd I'd rather spend time with.

About to be discussed on Jeremy Vine radio 2

And... I am a bit confused about the being asked to leave the train. I went into town in my lunch hour and parked near the station. There is a big sign telling all passengers they must purchase a ticket before boarding or they will be asked to pay at the next station. No mention of booting them off. I appreciate it's probably a different company.

So apparently the swearing and unpleasant behaviour had been going on a LONG time before the guy started filming, and in front of those little kids next to him. What I'm hearing is not adding any sympathy for him!!

On my line, if you travel without a valid ticket, you pay a £300 fine and any court costs. I'd rather be booted off the train.!

We get the option to buy on the train, sometimes the station is too busy.

Way ott in my opinion, the 'bouncer' was enjoying himself way too much.

The boy probably would have left the train if the conductor had radioed for the police anyway, he wouldn't want to hang about and get arrested

I was on a train that was held up for 15 minutes because someone who hadn't paid refused to get off before her stop.
She tried to tell the ticket inspectors her name was "Beyonce" and that she was 15. She had a credit card on her with another name and cigarettes on her so they didn't believe that she was 15. They called the transport police but in the end got off with her at her proper stop, so don't know what happened after that. She isn't 15 by the way as she gets the same train everyday and is working round the corner from me.
They were threatening to charge her ontop of the fine for delaying the train. She was rude to the inspecters and had the air they couldn't touch her.

Don't feel sympathy for him - he is positively relevelling in the publicity and his FB wall is full of congratulations for his actions!

I am alarmed at those who think physical intervention is always wrong unless someone is actually being violent.

My DP saw on oxford street, a man snatch an old ladies handbag and run away with it. My DP tripped up the mugger and passerbys jumped on top of him to prevent him getting away - while someone else called the police. No violence used, but passer bys did use physical force.

So should my DP have just let this mugger run off with the handbag and "wait" for the police to come by which time the chnace of catching the mugger would be slim?

So what should have happened? All the passengers sit and suffer possibly missing connections so as not to upset the fare-dodger?
Why should everyone suffer because of him?
I can't understand why he kept trying to get back on the train either.
He knew the "superhero" guy was going to throw him off so he could have either
a) offered to pay up or
b) got up and left the train himself.
His own fault, his choice.

Stoping a mugger is different IMO. As for getting back on the train, I think he was trying to get his bag, not realising that someone had already thrown it on the platform.

no lesley reasonable force is allowed to prevent a criminal act.
Self-defence with regards to accusations of assault has always included the defence of others,property or the prevention of a criminal act.

And surely being on a train knowingly without a ticket is a criminal offence?

It may well be ( i asked further up if it's a criminal or civil matter), but the big-mans actions did nothing to prevent a criminal act. The train was not going to move again until the bloke got off. As such I can't see any criteria under-which one could classify the force used by the bigman as being "reasonable" to prevent a criminal offence.
He didn't prevent him from getting on a train knowingly without a ticket, nor did he prevent him from continuing his journey without a valid ticket as that had already been prevented by the conductor.
If you consider the big-mans actions to have prevented a criminal act then I'd welcome an explanation as to exactly what criminal act would have occurred but for his intervention and further to that how the force then used was reasonable in relation to the criminal act prevented, as I just don't see it.

So again what should have happened?
The conductor tells him to get off he replies fuck you and then what?????
Don't seem to think the police are lying in wait around the corner twiddling their thumbs thinking "Oh can't wait for a really serious call to come in that we can rush off to, such as someone not paying a train fare, yipee!!"
Perhaps, just perhaps in the real world the police actually have even bigger matters to attend to. then by the time they arrive eveyone has missed their connection, yipee.

The other alternative to the two you present lurking is that the ticket conductor allows the train to continue it's journey. No big fuss, no showdown at the OK corrale. And the ticket dodger gets fined or stopped at the station when he leaves.

Who exactly is going to stop him? He won't get off the train so why on earth is he goung to wait all nicely at the next stop for the police or whoever to arrive? Surely he is going to leave end of story, no fine no payment no nothing.

Oh and he has got exactly what he wanted a free ride whilst all the sad law abiders around him pay, great result.

Ticket dodgers are only going to get stopped if they get off at big stations. You do know lots of stations are unmanned or have 1 staff member?

Yes lesley you're right.