to think that this was ridiculous...

[MeltedAdventCalendarChocolates]

Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

AIBU?

21!!! Goodness me, scrap what I said.

He looks about 10, though!!!

"It is a shame when grown men assault kids and are applauded."

Or even when big men assault smaller weaker men and are applauded.

I think his age is totally irrelevant. Even if he was 40, no-one should be manhandled by a member of the public like that.

No-one should be that stupid either.

If you want to travel on a train, you need a valid ticket, or a valid excuse as to why you don't have one, and a solution.

And I don't agree with the manhandling, just they are all in the wrong.

FFS

He got removed from his seat and plonked on the platform, hardly an assault.

Gobby tracksuit rats think that they're untouchable and that everyone is too shit scared of them to stand up to them. Not always the case.

The kid was out of order, but so was the vigilante thug. He nearly knocked the conductor off the train as well in his excitement.

at 'gobby tracksuit rats'.

This wasn't assault. This was a citizen using minimal force to prevent hundreds of other law-abiding people from being inconvenienced due to the selfishness of one individual.

He didn't humiliate him, he didn't injure him, he simply ejected him from the train, so it could continue its journey. With the full support of everyone else in the carriage.

saladsandwich

" ... noticed the family with young kids on the train, i wouldnt want my kid to see that. he could have just carried him off withought throwing him surely?"

Surely it would be a lesson to any child who saw the incident? It would deter them from not payi ng for tickets.

I wouldn't want my young kids to be held up for ages because some people think they don't need tickets. Those young kids could have ended up being hours late home if they missed their connection. I would rather my young kids saw that if someone behaves like an arse then they will be dealt with.

Incidently, I am really small, petite trousers are too long for me. Is it ok for me to behave like an idiot, be rude and generally consider myself above the law because the chances of there being anyone around who is smaller than me to deal with me are quite slim. Its a bit patronising tbh to say that small people must be treated with kid gloves regardless of their behaviour.

So next time there is an argument over a parking space, or someone queue jumps then the biggest or tougher person is allowed to use whatever force they feel like? This young guy was a pain but he wasn't being physically threatening and it was quite violent.

Apparently so sozzled. Funny that. I was clearly brought up with quite the wrong attitude.

No, not the biggest person is allowed to use whatever force they like but being small doesn't exempt you from someone elses reasonable force when you are so clearly being ridiculous. He wasn't beaten or assaulted or damaged, he was bodily removed and as it happens the person doing the removal was bigger and older but a younger and smaller Big Man could have done the same job ime.

well no keep it in context someone being silly over parking spaces or queue jumping is not the same as what this criminal little shit bag was doing.

Meh.

I wouldn't opt to use force on an arrogant dickhead myself but neither would I cat's bum mouth anyone else who saw fit to do it. And by force, I mean reasonable force i.e picking someone up by their collar and removing them from the situation.

As naice as it maight be, sitting there looking beatific waiting for the situation to come to a happy conclusion is futile sometimes. Same with the utter penis being racist to the Spanish waiter in Pizza Express in Manchester last year when I was there. Remonstrating with him politely was useless. It took a 6 foot, fifteen stone bloke to put down his knife and fork and carry the little tosser out in a fireman's lift. He too got a polite round of applause.

I dont think it was assault, personally. he didnt punch him, he merely tried to remove him from the train. Despite being completely in the wrong to youth tried to physically resist. His refusal to leave meant that everyone who had legitimately paid for a ticket could not get home. It did get more physical only because the 19 year old 'kid' tried to force his way back onto the train. The 'big man' = guard and another passenger held their ground. If the youth was not so arrogant he would have held his hands up at being caught out and considered himself lucky to have just been asked to leave the train without being fined. I would be a if I had to sit there for a couple of hours whilst the youth wasted valuable police time by having to come and forcibly remove him.

I don?t know Scots law, but this would definitely be a case for assault in England and Wales. I?d be surprised if it isn?t in Scotland too. The conductor needs to be retrained in how to handle this kind of case because he failed spectacularly. What was a minor crime (not having the ticket) developed into a major crime (assault) because of his actions. He should have called the transport police to meet them at the next station and remove him, or kept him on the train until they get to a big station with a transport police office at it. No one needed to be inconvenienced; no one needed to be assaulted.

Big man wouldn't have been so big if it wasn't someone smaller and weaker than him I don't think

I have little sympathy for the faredodger. Am curious op - did you honestly expect most people to agree with you on this aibu?

We get a lot of it here in London. Bus drivers/ticket inspectors are usually too scared to do anything about it for fear of being stabbed.

It makes the rest of us who do pay our fares feel a tiny bit resentful sometimes.

Teddy - none of it was necessary at all. "Kid" could have paid his fare or left the train when caught without a ticket.

The OP has had plenty of agreement baubleybobbityhat.

I live in London, I come from Scotland. I've seen millions of people fare dodging and I don't feel resentful. I feel more resentful at the robbing bastards at the top who see fit to charge me over £2 every time I take the tube, even though 50% of the time I then get to work late.

But yeah, why don't we just get into vigilantism and use physical force in every situation where we don't like someone's behaviour? That always works out really well.

i think the conductor should be knighted

Yes that's all very interesting yellowraincoat but this isn't a thread about the cost of public transport.

Baubleybobbityhat ? I agree entirely that he should have paid for a ticket or got off, however he didn?t. I think that it is a reasonably foreseeable circumstance for the train company, that as some time someone would do this, therefore the ticket inspectors should be trained in a way of handling it which does not result in the escalation of a minor crime into a major one. ?I?m bigger than him? or ?He was annoying me / might make me late? or ?This might be fun / and ego boost? is not a justification for assault. The reason we have police is so that you don?t end up with dangerous vigilantism such as this. Obviously we do not have unlimited resources, therefore the police?s time needs to be used pragmatically (hence the suggestion of meeting the police at another station). It is not a good use of police time to make yet another person to arrest and another case to process, which is exactly what happened here.

Fucking hell, the kid deserved it - cannot believe people are backing the boy up. He did not have a valid ticket and point blank refused to get off the train. He deserved it.