to think that this was ridiculous...

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Sure he probably was lying. Maybe he wasn't and should have had the maturity to handle it differently, who knows, but for a random stranger to handle this KID in this way is horrific!

AIBU?

I am sure even the Inspector said "Don't mess with the Big Man" with a smirk on his face.

So...he wasn't asked to pay? Wasn't asked to get off the train? Hmm? HMM?

Didn't swear in response to being ASKED to do these things? HMM?

crazy the name suits you. It really does.

Yes Jeremy I did watch it...and I am sure if the guy in Tescos wouldn't go...the Security would have called the Police. Which is what should have happened here...not some wannnabe local muscle.

crazycracker, he did have the same options. He was told to leave, just like supermarket customer. It would have fallen to security guy to eject him, if refused, maybe with back up from colleagues. Elderly inspector didn't have back up. It was entirly reasonable to ask him to leave. His refusal caused all of this.

"Big man" is a term used to describe Men in an affectionate way in Scotland even if you are not big.
You're looking crass when you keep referring to the man the way you are.
The young idiot was asked and he refused and the passenger who happened to be large shown him the door.
He was protecting an elderly guard.

When the bloke asked if he wanted him off, the 'kid' could quite easily at that point stood up himself and walked off before there was any hassle. Even as far as he was pushing it, he could have ended it at that point. He chose not to.

DoesNotGiveAFig and your name specifically describes how I feel of your thoughts about me.

To all those insisting that the little shit was assaulted or that the bloke committed a crime...what crime is he meant to have committed? That would certainly not be considered assault by the police or in a courtroom. Nor was it GBH or ABH or aggravated assault. I'm sure the police would rather the public not waste their time with easily resolvable situations like this where members of the public have the nous to sort it out themselves.

Seriously though....wanting a situation like this dealt with properly,following procedure no doubt laid down by the rail company,and within the restraints of the law makes me crazy?

If all security guarads relied on police to come remove reluctant customers, what exactly would be the point in paying them, in having security guards. This over reliance on the police to solve every dispute is wrong.

I dont really get why you are so offended on his behalf, crazynanna.

I really really really doubt this lad is giving half as much thought to this as some of you are.

Jeremy he is probably reveling in the fame of it all! He'll be swanning about with his hat on to make sure that everyone knows its him

I wouldn't say the bloke committed a crime, but I would say he should get a grip. What has the world come to when a member of the public acts as a heavy for a privately run cartel that's sucking the commuter dry rather than standing up for cheeky little scamp just trying to save a buck or two?

I am not getting offended on the gobshites behalf,Jeremy,that's not my gripe.

It's this thing where people think they can jump in and manhandle people at will.

"I would think that if the conductor asked "big man" to help eject the young man, that would mean he was "authorised"."

I'd hope that ticket inspectors aren't vested with the power to delegate their authority to use physical force to anyone they deem fit.

On what grounds would you argue it's not assault mixedberries? not saying you're wrong but what defence would you offer on behalf of the big man? (is fair dodging considered a crime or is it a civil matter?)

dementers Big man is used in an affectionate way in Scotland, when you call yourself Big Man though you are saying you are a Big man...

Little scamp :)

Your refusal to see that the lad was given every chance to respond reasonably to the situation and ASKED to comply to the regulations of the rail company and failed is what makes you crazy.

All you see is "big man".

But you don't give a fig for my thoughts so why ask me?

cheeky little scamp Don't make me laugh! When exactly does cheeky little scamp become a grown up in your eyes Cheryl? Oh, if that's your parenting approach, probably never.

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He didn't call himself a big man.
HTH.

I think it is good for young people to learn that their behaviour has consequences. My youngest DS had an episode once at a youth type club where he admitted he had behaved very badly. One of the staff (not proper youth workers) got so annoyed at him he swore at him and spoke to him aggressively.

My DS was outraged. My take, which I carefully explained to my DS was, that no the member of staff shouldn't have spoken to him like that. But people are not robots. If you behave badly and are abusive, you can't really complain imo if other people react in a less than ideal way.

In an "ideal" world the ticket inspector would have top class negotiation skills and would have been able to talk the young man into leaving the train. But we don't live in an ideal world. And given how the young man was, I thought he did deserve this treatment.

In case people are actually intereste wondering,I am crazynanna as that is what my grandchildren call me after they first heard me sing

I see where you are coming from, but I just think that sometimes situations arisee which are not ideal and and how people (people not robots) react to them are also not ideal.

I dont think this man should be praised necessarily, but i dont think he should be slated either. And I have no strong feelings against the young lad.

Its all a bit of a non-event really. And yes, Proper Procedure may have been Preferable...but this was a damn sight quicker.

Community spirit does not mean that we have the right to physically/verbally intimidate and humiliate people younger and smaller than us - even when they are acting like idiots.

Would people view 'the big mans' actions differently if it was a teenage girl he was throwing about?