To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

[Peachy]

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

Is there a link to the proposals if the other thread has gone?

The government wants people, as far as humanely possible, to be self-supporting and not reliant on benefits. There is nothing wrong with that at all. If families cannot afford to live on one salary then they need to think in terms of a second earner rather than on the public purse to meet the shortfall.

" If a family feel they can afford for one parent to stay at home then surely that should be their choice? "

Absolutely fine as long as they dont rely in benefits in order to do it.

in terms of single parents the govt should be focusssing on stopping absent parents abandoning their kids - financially and emotionally.

Haven't read whole thread but what worries me about this is that DH has already spent the best part of 2 years trying to get work so it's only going to make it ever harder isn't it, unless by magic a load more jobs appear!!!

Anyone got a link to the original article?

Not surprising really, it's been going this way and will have the effect of penalising the most vulnerable. I am seriously terrified about the future, not just for people like myself but for all those struggling in any way with disability and sickness, whether in some kind of work or not. :(

That other thread has been deleted. I don't really understand what it's all about but it sounds scary. Does anyone know how it will affect me? I'm a sahm/carer. DH earns £16.5k, I get carers allowance. We get no WTC but a lot of CTC. We have ds1 aged 5, ds2, aged 3.5, ds3 aged 9 months and I'm newly pg with dc4. DS2 and DS3 have SN (ds2 gets middle rate care dla) and dc4 likely to as well.

So you have ( are having ) four children despite your DH not earning ^remotely6 enough to support you all. You rely on a serious hand out form the tax payer.

Why do you think the rest of us should pay for you to have so many children when thousands of people who both work full time can't afford to?

The government wants people, as far as humanely possible, to be self-supporting and not reliant on benefits. There is nothing wrong with that at all. If families cannot afford to live on one salary then they need to think in terms of a second earner rather than on the public purse to meet the shortfall.

Amen to that.

I think this thread is a shocking wake up call to the society and expectations that have been created from years of an entitlement culture.

Why shouldn't you work to support your own family? Why should you expect to work part time nad make everyone else who works full time pay for you to have time to clean your house or go shopping?

I think it's a brilliant plan. In fact, I'd introduce workfare full time, But then I'm An Evil Tory Despite the fact that this is a Lovely, Lovely Labour policy!

Daisy the changes might affect you if your dh earns above a certain amount, as they are taking CB off some higher earning families. I think the cut off was around £40k but someone will be along with the correct figure in minutes...

I agree that families should be working to support themselves and not relying on the tAx payer etc etc.

But didn't the Tories market themselves as the party that wanted to support one parent staying at home because the nasty labour party were encouraging parents to stick their babies in nurseries?

I can imagine that there are a lot of people who voted Tory that feel they have been lied to.

Lookattheears so glad you are happy, but where are the jobs?
who is going to be able to afford childcare for a disabled child?

I can't read the link. Will search for it later. Surely allowances are made for families with disabled children?

You know, every restaurant, every hotel and every service industry place I've been in in recent years has been staffed almost entirely by people who are immigrants. There are jobs, there were jobs but hardworking people from abroad have taken them because the local Brits are better off working part time or not at all.

sevenfold

Did you read the post earlier where people are struggling to recruit?

I think this was the Guardian article. I'm not clear whether this bit means that these plans are a proposal or if it will definitely go into the new legislation: ' Lord Freud, minister for welfare reform, fears the new system will pay "benefit to claimants who are clearly capable of working or earning more". He wants to apply conditionality to in-work claimants.'

Lookattheears Being a carer is a full-time commitment - for one child with SN, let alone 2 or 3. I dare say the poster would have been able to work more to support their family if they didn't have to cope with a disabled child.

I'm a LP with a child with SN and these changes would destroy us. I cannot work at all with DS because there is no childcare that would be able to cope with his needs, and I have my own health problems as well (I currently get a Carer's premium and a disability premium, which will stop under the new scheme). It won't be so bad for me, because I'm lucky enough to have met a partner who will be able to support us financially and we are getting married soon, so that will take me out of the benefits system. But I know many, many LPs who have disabled children (it's very common for families to break up under the strain of caring for the disabled) and I don't know how they will cope.

So what does that mean for someone like me, who is registered disabled, but according to ATOSsers is not disabled enough for DLA? My Neurologist has told me that he will NEVER sign me as fit to do more than 20 hours a week work, as any more than that worsens my epilepsy. Soooo...to clarify - if I work 16-20 hrs a week, I will not be able to claim WTC, or childcare costs? Because if so - I'll NEVER be able to work again - and I was looking at going back in 2014 when DS3 qualifies for the childcare discount when he is 3yo?! But if I can't MEDICALLY work FT, but want to work PT - I can't??!!

PLEASE tell me I'm wrong in my assessment of the situation - I can't read the other thread, it appears to have been deleted?!

Peachy - can you please give a link to the original article?

How does this work with the fit-to-work notes? I have a fit to work note that states I can manage light duties for 16-20 hours maximum a week. I would be unable to get a fit-to-work note for FT work. While it will be ok-ish (apart from the slightly scary prospect of my 2 dc with asd being latch-key kids from age 12, as well as my other dc), for me to work 20 hrs a week until my youngest dc is 12yo - at that point, I will still not be classed as fit for FT work.

All I can do is hope that in between now and when DS3 is 12yo, that the Government changes to one that will not leave me in a catch-22 situation of not being medically fit to work FT, but having sanctions placed on me if I don't work FT. If that doesn't happen, I will be fucked, basically. DD will probably still be at home due to her asd, as will DS2 more than likely, also due to his asd - and I get no disability benefits or carers allowance for either of them - AND DS3 will be just 12yo, we will have money that will already be being spread further than it is meant to go sanctioned because I am medically unfit for FT work?!

Yet again, the Tories put the 'N' in cuts.

What about the disabled parents who can't work in higher paid jobs due to lack of education/funding or can only work 20 hours a week or not at all?

If they do not get WTC or CTC its the state telling them that they can not have children. How is that fair?

Lookattheears Well for a start dc4 is unplanned. Once DS2 was born I became unable to work. I do voluntary work when I can but I will not be able to commit to a paid job for a long time as I can't imagine an employer being too happy if I have to regularly leave work because ds2 needs me (or ds3 or dc4). That's fair enough but the reality is a lot of carers can't work and tax credits are there to support those people and other vulnerable members of society.

I think if you can't afford to feed any more children you should ensure there aren't any more children.
I can't comprehend how you think it's okay for people who can't afford to have more than two children ( so make bloody sure they don't have any unplanned children!) to pay for you to have as many as you like.

I'd suggest too that if the benefits system were less generous, you would have ensured you limited your family to what you could afford.

huntycat

Did you choose not to read the posts telling you this was a measure put in place by Labour?

Or is it just that you can't put an N in labour?

Oh, and before everyone on this thread implodes in a vat of bile, can someone please link to where carers and disabled people will be expected to work? Thank you.

Since graduating two years ago I have been unable to gain FT employment. I have been working for an agency doing care work but in the past two months have only had five days work. I was lucky enough to be offered another job last week 16 hrs on MNW. DH made redundant two years ago and has been unable to find work in the same area and so he has been stacking shelves in a supermarket.

In our area we have had a large influx of immigrant workers who do the same job (FLT driver/warehouse) as dh although before redundancy he was supervisor. I am totally not bashing immigrants if I lived in Poland or any other country I would be sending dh over as well but it isn't always true that locals won't do the job and that is why they are given to immigrants.

I don't know if these changes will affect us as we have dc under 12 but regardless, I will still support those affected. A country is classed as civilised by how it treats the most vulnerable are we no longer civilised.

www.metro.co.uk/news/881136-married-couple-driven-to-commit-suicide-by-utter-poverty#ixzz1dLtoeSXW

Is this the future????

Immigrant workers can be exploited. I know Polish lads who had to take more crap than their UK colleagues. Obviously this is only a small sample but I reckon they aren't one off's.