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To think every SAHM, low hour PT worker and carer should read this?

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Peachy · 10/11/2011 19:41

Well i am not but it matters to you so you must

here

Changes to system WRT worker hours

have a thread in chat and don;t want a debate, or at least won't participate iun one as petrified as we will now certianly lose our home and not up to taking flak. But if it affects you, you need to know.

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meglet · 11/11/2011 07:56

The thing is (apart from the Tories being cunts) is that as I'm so bloody good at my p/t job I've been able to cut my hours from 21 down to 18 so I have a bit more time to run the house and care for the dc's.

Would the tories prefer me to be shit at my job so I can take my hours back over 20 Hmm.

HecateGoddessOfTheNight · 11/11/2011 07:56

Yes.

If the hours were there.

If the jobs were there.

If the childcare was there.

Where is it all? Where are the 2.5 million jobs for all those currently unemployed? Where are the however many million second jobs for those on too low a wage? where is all the childcare - particularly for disabled children?

It is all very well and good saying people should get these things - but how can they if they don't exist? And the point is that they are on about taking money away from people if they do not get something that does not exist!

How can they do it? Tell me how someone can make an employer pay them more or get a second job where no second job exists and tell me how it's fair for them to face a benefit cut for not being able to do something that they have no control over - job creation and wages.

BertieBotts · 11/11/2011 09:07

What is the wage thing about? I don't quite understand. In the article it mentions 20 hours and £120 - minimum wage is £6.08, so 20 hours would be just over £120. Or is it something to do with self employment saying that unless you are earning the equivalent of minimum wage, you're not really doing those hours?

MrsTwinks · 11/11/2011 09:16

Nice idea in theory but I can't see it working TBH. ontop of everything else and no jobs, some jobs just wont let you do what they want. My last job (which was NMW and P/T) had a clause in my contract that I take on no other work, and they aren't the only company to have such clauses. Where I live it is near impossible to find a retail job more than 16 hours a week because of all the things they have to provide if you work more than that.

Its never going to actually work when you add that into all the other stuff everyone else has raised, its a pipe dream. A scary pipe dream but still

ledkr · 11/11/2011 09:26

I was a single Mum of 4 dcs i worked 18.5 hrs and recieved a small anmount of tax credits,no hb as had a mortgage.

What people forget is that when you are alone you also have to do ALL the washing,cooking,shopping,cleaning,household maintainance,money management,school runs and activities,homework,parents evenings and so on. That is why the tories need to get off the back of lone parents and concentrate on getting the money from all the useless fathers who pay sod all and the lazy and cheats who defraud the system daily.

BertieBotts · 11/11/2011 09:34

I'd still rather support some lazy people, cheats or wasters than disadvantage the people who really are in need.

imogengladheart · 11/11/2011 09:40

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gramercy · 11/11/2011 09:47

I'd still rather support some lazy people, cheats or wasters than disadvantage the people who really are in need.

That way lies ruin. Frankly I'd rather support the people who really are in need and really get tough on the rest. Then we wouldn't need these endless debates.

jjkm · 11/11/2011 09:55

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CarrieInAnotherBabi · 11/11/2011 10:00

i can see the goverment actually doing this, there is simply not the jobs avalible.

its disgusting to traet parents of sn children in this way, as if you can can child care for high need for aggressive children.

really starting to dispair about where this country is going to end up.

i'm a sahm but i dont cliam any benefits, soi supppose they leave me alone.
even if i wanted to fin a job, i bet the job center wouuldnt be interested in helping me as im not claiming from them.

itsall wrong.

BertieBotts · 11/11/2011 10:13

So how do you tell, gramercy?

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Peachy · 11/11/2011 10:18

A LOT of tory voters will be affected, they never thought they would be the ones losing their jobs; they thought Tories supported having a SAHM (not SAHP, a lot are after all untra conservative)- these will the families most affected.

it's also anohter swipe at services- our TAs at the SNUs we use have 16 hour contracts- won;t be able to afford that I imagine now...

Short sighted policies that will work against anyone wanting to start their own business, people that will take anything rtaher thann nothing- and it's not about help to get abck into work: it's about if you work 34 hours a week you will be unemployed, by their definition.

Indeed, it is in effect an end to tax credits. How could it not be?

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Peachy · 11/11/2011 10:22

Gramercy is that not an attitude that led to this? here

now remember ATOS don;t want proof if we adopt their attoitude- they won;t look at medical reports, school statements etc- only a 30 minute interview: under that system ds1 would not get help despite needing SNU palcement and high levels of 1-1. you can;'t see it unless he melts down / you watch long term.

An awful lot of people like that with disorders in or bordering on a MH diagnosis, for example.

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mrshess · 11/11/2011 10:30

I urge David Cameron to watch Boys from the blackstuff and ask himself does he want britain to go back to this

'Gizza job, gizza job, i can do that'

I cant actually watch it as it mirrors my childhood

Dipdap · 11/11/2011 10:41

What gets me is if you don't earn enough, in their eyes, you must a)do more hours or b) get a second job.

Thats some crazy shit.

Dipdap · 11/11/2011 10:48

Has the other thread been deleted? Ha, mumsnet hq are cameron arse-kissers.

AndTheyCalledHimSantyClaws · 11/11/2011 10:55

the tories are cleaning up the mess the previous government left behind.

daisychicken · 11/11/2011 11:05

I am finding this quite scary.. surely it should be based on family income rather than individual income? If a family feel they can afford for one parent to stay at home then surely that should be their choice? I fully get the govt wanting to cut down on benefits but I feel they are penalising families.

I know that once my youngest is 12 and at high school, things will change but we don't want our children to be latchkey kids and finding a job that fits in with school hours is like finding a needle in a haystack round here! Currently I am at home because my husbands hours are so unpredictable - he's often away from home working and so sometimes we only know that morning that he will be away, so working evenings for example isn't feasible for me at the moment. I have also just been diagnosed with Fibro and I'm having enough trouble coping with that and the children/ housework, I can't imagine how I could cope with a job at this moment in time.

We will struggle so I can't imagine how single parents or parents with disabilities / sn children will be affected.

But what can we do??

spicyorange · 11/11/2011 11:14

Love to know where

A jobs are coming from

B where all the extra hours for ppl who work low hours are coming from

C What they are going to do about the huge cost of chilcare

Familys are going to get such a rough deal and i fear those on the lowest incomes just like myself and dp are going to be worse hit.

elliejjtiny · 11/11/2011 11:25

That other thread has been deleted. I don't really understand what it's all about but it sounds scary. Does anyone know how it will affect me? I'm a sahm/carer. DH earns £16.5k, I get carers allowance. We get no WTC but a lot of CTC. We have ds1 aged 5, ds2, aged 3.5, ds3 aged 9 months and I'm newly pg with dc4. DS2 and DS3 have SN (ds2 gets middle rate care dla) and dc4 likely to as well.

Sevenfold · 11/11/2011 11:38

why has the other thread been deleted?

blaming the last government is crap, this government are the ones targeting the disabled.

NinkyNonker · 11/11/2011 11:43

If you SAHM and don't claim benefits or tax credits there is no problem Daisy, completely up to you how you run your family.

Mandy2003 · 11/11/2011 11:56

A bit like the poster on Page 1, I work 16 hours a week and get WTC. I am a single parent (due to DV). I also have a disability that affects my mobility, diabetes, sight problems and PTSD. I also suffer from Fibromyalgia and CFS. I can just manage to work the 16 hours but am left completely wiped out and barely able to function at home. I am fortunate enough to get a disability premium with my WTC which all in all makes life bearable financially. Not well off by any means but not struggling.

Unable to see the thread in Chat now, are these proposed changes designed to make life more miserable for people like me?

meglet · 11/11/2011 11:59

I think a poster asked for the other thread to be deleted due to personal info on the thread.

SardineQueen · 11/11/2011 12:01

Oh why has the other thread gone?

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