to think this poster is a heap of sexist woman-blaming SHIT?

[QueenOfFlamingEverything]

Here - a nice bit of misogynism from the police in Wales.

How about a big poster suggesting helpfully "Rape. Don't be a rapist. Use your dick sensibly. Rapists feature in 100% of rapes??"

I take umbridge at all of the poster which suggest that the victim is in anyway responsible. The lit up like a Christmas tree mobile phone one, I think if I want to use my mobile outside in the dark I should be able too and in doing so I shouldn't then be the one responsible if someone tries to steal it. I'm doing nothing wrong so why blame me. Same with the rape poster linked to in the op.

I'd like to think that this poster was appealing to the less criminally minded people.

I.E Rapists are scum and cannot be reasoned with, so let's focus on the sensible people who will actually heed the warning.

that is really bad, tht second poster made me feel sick, disgusting.

See! I'm in South Wales!! (this is my police force)

I mentioned on the other thread earlier on the other thread that there are "dont rape" posters in the mens loos! And I had the feeling that Andrew (yet to appear on here [hwink]) didnt believe me!

Would that be the sensible women who get blamed for being drunk and getting raped?

Nobody is blaming the woman. Only the feminists seem to see it that way though.

What the poster is saying is, if you are drunk, you are more at risk from becoming a target for a rapist.

How anyone can actually argue that point is beyond me.

Alcohol affects the brain, too much alcohol will impair your judgement.

"on the other thread earlier on the other thread"

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Wow, that poster is awful.

i'm not that keen on it either but i do think women should be reminded not to drink beyond the point where they can get themselves home safely, or not leave any ambiguity to their wishes if they go back to a bloke's or have him back or whatever.

The message is actually not that different to some posters we have in London showing women wearing gold jewelry depicted as coins - "this is what a robber sees around your neck."

Is it a jewelry wearer's fault if she gets assaulted? No - but there are precautions that can be taken.

The way I see it is that there are men out there that are hell bent on rape.
They are the criminals. There is no doubt about that.

women who get raped are victims. I have no doubt about that.

I will take every resonable precaution to ensure that I will not give a potential rapist an oppportunity to attack me.
Therefore I make sure I stay in control of my senses, I go in pre booked cabs only and people know when to expect me back. I am aware of who buys me drinks etc. I do everything to help look after my safety.

I think these posters are reminders to be alert and don't allow a situation where the rapist to get an advantage over you.

Again the rapist is the criminal but there are criminals out there.

I'm sure I'm going to be flamed.

minimiss how about this way of looking at it.

I am totally legless and therefore at risk of getting raped.
I see the poster, I dont drink, so the next totally legless woman gets raped instead. There will always be a most drunk soft target. All this poster does is encourage you, selfishly, to make sure its someone else.

Whereas addressing the actual problem (the rapist) might mean no women get raped at all.

Yes, I get what the poster is trying to put across, but it is done in such an awful way, and it does put the onus on the woman to protect herself.

I was watching a programme on TV recently about the "date rape" drug, and they filmed with hidden camera in a nightclub, showing how easy it is to tip something into women's drinks.

Many women who thought that they were "just drunk" are found to have traces of this drug in their system. How about a campaign to highlight this?

How about finding and prosecuting those who deal in this drug? The programme was shocking, it showed how incredibly easy it is to buy it.

This does not suprise me atall tbh.Not right but sadly some police victim blame.Which is why if I ever was raped again i'd never report it.

The poster does not say 2/3 of victims were drunk. It actually makes a point of saying alcohol is present in two thirds of rapes. That means if the rapist has had a drink alcohol was involved in the rape, if the victim had had a glass of wine with dinner alcohol was involved. But it certainly implies drunk women are getting raped because they are drunk, certainly makes everyone feel safer, even if it is not true.

Over 80% of rapes involve people you know, mainly long term partners or ex partners the rest being friends, freind's partners, work colleagues etc. In many situations when you are with these people you might have a glass or two of wine. That does not mean you are a target for rape, it means if they do rape you the fact your drank alcohol will be brought up and you will be put in the statistics as alcohol involved.

I read this and thought it was fantastic, it was posted by a person (taylivie3) commenting on a rape story where the 13 year old victim of a brutal gang rape was blamed for what had happened to her.

Link to media report here
jezebel.com/5780022/media-blows-it-with-pathetic-gang-rape-coverage

Center for Sex Offender Management The Role of the Victim and Victim Advocate in Managing Sex Offenders

Cross-Examination of a Robbery Victim:

In the following situation, a holdup victim is asked questions by a lawyer. "Mr. Smith, you were held up at gunpoint on the corner of First and Main?" "Yes." "Did you struggle with the robber?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"He was armed."
"Then you made a conscious decision to comply with his demands rather than resist?"
"Yes."
"Did you scream? Cry out?"
"No, I was afraid."
"I see. Have you ever been held up before?"
"No."
"Have you ever GIVEN money away?"
"Yes, of course."
"And you did so willingly?"
"What are you getting at?"
"Well, let?s put it like this, Mr. Smith. You?ve given money away in the past. In fact, you have quite a reputation for philanthropy. How can we be sure that you weren?t CONTRIVING to have your money taken from you by force?"
"Listen, if I wanted ? "
"Never mind. What time did this holdup take place, Mr. Smith?"

"About 11:00 p.m."
"You were out on the street at 11:00 p.m.? Doing what?"
"Just walking."
"Just walking? You know that it?s dangerous being out on the street that late at night. Weren?t you aware that you could have been held up?"
"I hadn?t thought about it."
"What were you wearing at the time, Mr. Smith?"
"Let?s see... a suit. Yes, a suit."
"An EXPENSIVE suit?"
"Well, yes. I?m a successful lawyer, you know."
"In other words, Mr. Smith, you were walking around the streets late at night in a suit that practically advertised the fact that you might be a good target for some easy money, isn?t that so? I mean, if we didn?t know better, Mr. Smith, we might even think you were ASKING for this to happen, mightn?t we?"
from the American Bar Association Journal (April, 1975). "The Legal Bias Against Rape Victims (The Rape of Mr. Smith)."

Also the most common thing to spike someones drink with is vodka, so people become far more drunk then they think.

I keep typing replies and deleting them.

So I'll settle for saying: You were well out with your guess of 17, weren't you Queen?

I'm going to console/reward myself with a small sherry, but not before bolting all the doors.

Is there an equivalent version of the poster with a man's face on it?

I get what it's saying, though. Not that drunk women are asking to be raped, but that, if you get so legless that you're judgement is seriously clouded, or even that you can't remember what you got up to the next morning, then you are going to put yourself into a vulnerable position and are more likely to be taken advantage of by a rapist (or a thief or anyone else with criminal motives.)

One classic student freshers prank is shaving off an eyebrow. I'll bet my boots that there's not many students wake up with only one eyebrow the morning after an evening with a mug of cocoa.

God, just looked at the second one.

That is beyond disgusting. WTF thought that would be a good idea?

to those saying "if 2/3 of rapes involve alcohol it makes sense not to get drunk" what is your response to the rapes carried out by husbands on their wives? dont get married? or what about th majority of rapes that are carried out by someone known to the victim? em, lets see oh yeah dont get to know any man? what about rapists that break into people's homes to rape? what's the 'sensible' advice then? dont have a home?

cant you see how this is victim blaming? it's making the victims of rape responsible for something thay have no control over. if someone wants to rape they will do it!! telling people to not befriend any men, get married, live in a home, drink alcohol, be out alone, wear short skirts or high heels is not the answer. how bloody much should women have to restrict themselves before they are blameless for being raped?

Tethers poster is just awful (all of them are) but there has to be something to be said for looking after yourself and putting/keeping yourself out of harms way as far as is possible.

Maybe there should be high profile posters telling MEN not to take advantage of women.

Whereas addressing the actual problem (the rapist) might mean no women get raped at all

Yes it would. How would you do that then? No more rapists, no more rape. Brilliant. But exactly how can you make that happen?

it does put the onus on the woman to protect herself.

As much as she can do yes, and rightly so. Because as I say above, there is no way, unless you extinguish every man on earth, that you can be sure no man will ever rape a woman again.

It doesnt make it right. No woman or man ever deserves or asks to be raped. But as I have said on the other thread today, there are men in society who will rape. The less opportunity they have, the less chances of it happening.

If I want to get pissed why shouldn't I? Why not concentrate on giving rapists proper sentences, making convicting them easier, believing women more rather than saying 'its your word against theirs/not enough evidence etc etc' and givin rapists the message 'rape- get convicted and get a lengthy sentence, a reputation in tatters and possibly never get a job again' rather than as usual try to prevent people exercising their right to do something perfectly legal albeit a bit silly?

Boasting,
In America or at least parts of it, it used to not be rape unless the victim sustained a physical injury as a result of struggling. So if someone was threatened with a knife and complied, they were not raped. However if they were robbed at knifepoint and complied they were robbed.

As for the police...
I was at a safety talk, and a female officer was telling everyone how nearly all rape claims were false and how she was great at getting people to retract their statements when they first came in. Nice attitude.

minimiss I agree that an inebriated person can be targeted more easily by an attacker, rapist, mugger etc.
Ideally, a person should be able to drink as much as they want and stay safe.
Doesn't happen though, in reality.