10 Tips to Prevent Rape

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Should this leaflet be handed out to the public?

www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2141096

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1388963/Ken-Clarkes-rape-gaffe-Its-rape-victims-betrayed-system.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1389647/Ken-Clarke-rape-gaffe-Some-rapes-ARE-worse-others.html

I am sorry, but it is not true that only rapists think rape is wrong, there are plenty of people who will claim that non-consensual sex should not be a crime, that it is not rape, etc. It is all very well claiming you disagree with rape in one breath and in the next announcing that actually you do not think non-consensual sex is rape, and that actually it is a beating and abduction that constitutes rape not the non-consensual penetration of someone's body. When a newspaper columnists think it is acceptable to tell people that rape is not what you think it is, but is in fact non-consensual sex as if this is a huge revalation which should make us all stop in our tracks when pushing for longer punishments and less acceptance of rape, and there is not one peep of protest we have become too accepting of rape in our society.

damn.. the bold bit went a bit wrong there... will redo so it makes more sense.

Not getting too drunk and not walking home in the dark won't protect you from getting raped. The only thing that protects you from being raped is not being in the presence of a rapist

You are less likely to be in the presence of an opportunist attacker though.

Rapists are not "sick in the head." The majority are perfectly sane and rape because they want to. Not because they have a mental illness. It is incredibly damaging to rape victims to spread about this myth. It also absolves rapists from culpability for rape.

Perhaps my phrase of "sick in the head" was not understood in the context I meant it. I certainly would think that anyone who rapes is not a normal balanced person. That does not mean they should be any less culpable or receive any less punishment. It simply means that nobody sane would want to, or would commit rape. It is not the act of a respectful, decent person, no matter how they may appear to others. If a person rapes, they are not sane as far as I am concerned. It doesnt mean I would afford them any leniency.

High number of rapes in south africa /africa is more to do with attitudes toward women . I think rape isnt viewed as a serious crime .

And there is that stupid widespread belief that having sex with a virgin will cure hiv ect... rapes are commited against young girls < i read somewhere >.

Educating the men against rape would be much better idea than educating women on how not to get raped.

whatme - what 'amusement mechanism' is that? I think you're making a false analogy

In what way?

squeky,
If we went by your definition that rape is committed by the insane, no rapist would be punished as insanity is a defence, and if someone is found not-guilty by reason of insanity of a crime other than murder they are not required to be incarcerated. So by claiming only the insane rape (and insanity is a legal not a medical term which means not in control of ones actions) you are taking the blame from rapists. Plenty of rapists would not even consider themselves rapists, they just think they had sex without consent and do not think that is rape as they did not kidnap, struggle with, or inflict physical injuries on the victim.

squeaky this leaflet is aimed at people like you.

I don't think the t-shirts you're talking about are satirical.

I would imagine you`d find rapists that are insane and those that are sane ,and some that have personality disorders .

It wont make much difference to a rape victim knowing whether her attacker was sane ,insane or disordered .

squeky,
Where are you getting the data thta makes you think that women who are alone in the dark are more likely to come across a rapist, than women in other situations. Lets face it if a rapist picks on someone he knows he has a greater chance of a not-guilty verdict by claiming she/he consented, if he picks on a complete stranger in the street he is less likely to be successful with that defence. It is in a rapist's favour to pick on someone he knows.

Bored of keep having to repeat this now.

I have specifically stressed numerous times now, that I am referring ONLY to rape by strangers on other strangers. Not any other kind of scenario.

Is that clear enough?

Yeah, both reporting and admission are socially determined, even in the context of anonymous surveys rather than to the police, so there's bound to be some impact on the statistics.

But fundamentally I don't believe South Africa (and all southern Africa) has the same rape incidence as the UK. Another study showed that, in a study size of 4000 South African women, a third had been raped within the last year.

And I remember a case in a neighbouring country where a man convicted of raping a five-year-old was given a two-year suspended sentence "because it was a first offence".

I mean, I'm not keen on lynch mobs in reality. But I quite like living in a country where the gut reaction to someone who rapes children is to go after them with pitchforks.

kelly2000 . " plenty of rapists would not consider themselves rapists , they just think they had sex without consent "

this is why we parents NEED to ingrain in our sons heads that they must always ask for consent , they must always double check that their partner is willing to participate in sex and they must never ever have sex with a drunk woman.

If we teach our sons its wrong , then they will know without a doubt its wrong.

tell you what then, why don't we ban men from going out in the dark!

problem sloved

*solved even

blackoutthesun , wouldnt work . not every rapist stikes at sundown ....they are not vampires ...

It's such a shame that Just World-ers still exist in seemingly large numbers. And yes, this poster is for them. Not for the rapists, although I am sure there is some overlap.

If someone is capable of understanding that rape is wrong, but then still rapes, despite knowing that what they are doing is wrong, they may be "sane", but they are not what I would call a decent person. I would say they are sick in the head. They certainly are not normal if they think it is ok for them to rape someone else. They dont have the emotions that a normal person would have, because they are incapable of treating a fellow human being with respect.

haha cheered me up

I don't think the t-shirts you're talking about are satirical

That's because you don't like what they satirise, whereas you do like what this is satirising :o

Now me, I'd prefer scathing satire going all ways, as that knocks all pedestals away.

But IMO sometimes you have to look at your own side's stuff and say "you know what - thats very funny, but I hate it when they do that to us, so lets not do it too"

But that's just my pov :)

As a man i read the leaflet and just saw it as a joke, twist on the very good advice given to women.

In an ideal world people should be able to walk where they like, naked, holding a gold bar and the latest Iphone without feeling intimidated or threat of violance, rape, murder etc.

But as squeky quit rightly pointed out until we reach this eutopia we all need to look after our own personal safety.

The advice given is no different to what police give about burglaries, robberies etc.

The Rapist is always wrong but if you heed the advice then Rape will be less frequent.

blackoutthesun , wouldnt work . not every rapist stikes at sundown ....they are not vampires ...

sorry didn't make myself clear

that was to the people who think that women shouldn't be out alone after dark

Which t-shirts are you thinking about, and what are they satirising?

squeaky ...i think the term your looking for is sociopath/psycopath ?