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To wonder why anyone with school-aged children would want to be a SAHM?

1006 replies

Badtasteflump · 22/09/2011 13:43

And what they do all day?

I have my flame-proof hard-hat ready Grin

In the spirit of the general shit-stirring on here today I though I would ask this - as I do really wonder. Fair enough when you have pre-school aged children, I can understand wanting to be a SAHM. But once your children are at school full-time, what is there to do all day?

I work PT (school hours, basically). I manage (jointly with DH) to get all the housework, cooking, diy, etc) done in the evenings & weekends, no problem. If I were at home all day I really think I would go a bit mad - either that or I fear I would gradually become relegated to the role of house-slave, doing all the housework and childcare myself because I wouldn't have the excuse of a 'proper' job. . .

OP posts:
nenevomito · 23/09/2011 16:22

I couldn't give a rats about whether someone is a SAHM or a WOHM. I only wish that DH would be a SAHD so I can come home in the evening to find the kids sorted and my dinner on the table.

CeliaFate · 23/09/2011 16:26

Can anyone imagine this debate/discussion/mud-slinging happening between men? I find it sad that we have to put other people's choices down and mock them when they don't live their lives in the way which complete strangers think would be appropriate.

Joannieb · 23/09/2011 16:33

As we all struggle with sweeping generalisations and falsely polarised and polarising arguments, maybe this thread needs a little segmentation, to stir things up just a teensy bit more :-) What about PTWOHMs vs FTWOHMs? Or PSSAHMs vs SASAHMs? What about 'busy SAHMs' vs LWL (now, why isn't that acronym on the Mumsnet list?!). The only thing I struggle with is blatant idleness - those for whom just walking the dog counts as a busy day (no really, I know a few). Perhaps the example we could set our daughters is to be active, productive, outward-looking members of society, whether we achieve that through paid or unpaid work, inside and/or outside the home.

Tchootnika · 23/09/2011 16:35

Correct again, celia!
It's so bloody ridiculous seeing/hearing women having a go at each other in this way in the name of feminism (which is what I think some posters here are attempting to do).

Tchootnika · 23/09/2011 16:38

Will just add that this sort of angry politicizing of other women's life choices seems to me to be rather decadent and destructive - and certainly very, very arrogant and unimaginative.

GiganticusBottomus · 23/09/2011 17:02

Pag - what are the cliches I have rolled out? I asked a genuine question and explained how working/not working makes me feel. What is cliched about that? What I said is the way I feel, I didn't say it was how everyone else felt or should feel. I wasn't insulting your intelligence or resulting to snide innuendos.

You are satisfied being a SAHM, I'm not.

HopeForTheBest · 23/09/2011 17:03

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PrincessTamTam · 23/09/2011 17:14

I suspect the OPs post was disingenuous - she really just wanted to stir the sh@t (her words) and accuse SAHMs of being lazy, boring or both.

AbbyAbsinthe · 23/09/2011 17:14

I can think of LOADS of things that I would rather be doing, whether I like my job or not. But I want to pay for those things myself.

Pagwatch · 23/09/2011 17:26

The cliches were that being at home mean never having anything intellectually challenging. That it would revolve around cleaning and stretching out household tasks.

That is a terrible cliche and rarely true of those of my friends who are sahms.

Of course what suits you and I will be different.
But if I rolled out uninformed cliches about what being a wohm means that would still be uninformed even if I finished it with 'but it's your choice'.

Pagwatch · 23/09/2011 17:28

Abby. Being a sahm does not always equal having no money.
I have contributed equally to our finances. We just don't keep score.

Kladdkaka · 23/09/2011 17:41

Can we return to happy mode? Would you all like some more houses so you can plan you moves to Sweden to keep me company?

Cheapest house currently listed in Sweden. Needs a lot of renovation work but does have a sauna. Yours for just £5,500. Unfortunately you will have 24 hours of darkness in winter and 24 hours of sunlight in summer.

Cheapest liveable property currently on the market, yours for £7,500.

For those with a bit more to invest, the most expensive property currently listed, yours for a mere £4,200,000

And for those who want the last one, but can't afford it, how about the cheapest listed farm which doesn't look like it's out of a horror film involving chainsaws and cannibalistic inbreds, yours for £23,400.

Come on ladies, you know you want to. I'll stick the kettle on.........

GiganticusBottomus · 23/09/2011 17:41

Pag - I didn't find it intellectually challenging. TBH I wouldn't say any of my friends who are SAHM mums would describe their lives as intellectually challenging either. If you do stuff that makes being a SAHM challenging that is great. Personally I find my challenge at work and fun at home.

Why I am uninformed? I have been a SAHM and I have friends who are SAHMs - the majority of my friends aren't anymore though. Since our dc went to school I would say 90% of them work part time like me, before dc were at school I would say 70% of us were SAHMs.

I also haven't felt the need to insult any posters personally to make my point.

wamster · 23/09/2011 17:43

Hmm interesting thread.

I don't understand those who clearly ARE working albeit in a non-paid role defending the sahms-without-kids-at-home who just do hobbies, though.
Chickenshavenoeyebrows I do not understand, either. She writes articles and novels. Surely that is a job, Chickens? You're working at your own pace but you're still working, aren't you?

Work is work and it does not have to be paid. It, does, however, have to be work so riveninabingle as a carer is working. As indeed is any other carer. Caring is work. Being a carer for a disabled person is work.

Horse-riding, going to cafes, catching up with friends is not work.

I also do not understand the sniggering at those who are in low-paid work, I was 'low-paid' as a student of my profession, I married a man who did not want me to work and could afford to keep us both, like a fool, I went with it for a while- a couple of months. But I just had to -had to -get a job after that. No dc's at time, and, luckily, I managed to get a job in the profession for which I had trained. It wouldn't have mattered if it had been the lowest-paid job in the world, though, I'd have done it because it would have given me pride and there is more pride to be had working in a low-paid job than there is sponging off a husband. Of course, I do recognise that some women are independently wealthy. I see that before I get slapped down for that one.

Still even if money is no issue and the sahm-with-kids-at-school has plenty of it, where is their psychological relief of finishing work if all your time is leisure? You need play and work in order to appreciate both, surely?

All this stuff about partnerships supporting each other as they can. Hmm Very dodgy, that one. What happens if that 'partner' decides to leave the relationship? And literally having a 'partner' not a dh is even worse because there will be no financial compensation from a failed cohabiting relationship (as there might be in divorce) so the woman will be even more up sh*t creek.

SarahStratton · 23/09/2011 17:51

Why oh why can't we all just accept that some of us like to work, and others like to be at home?

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be at home. Not everyone wants to go to work. Some of us actually prefer being at home, and there should be no shame in that. I've seen no bragging on this thread, just a few of us SAHM's trying to justify our lifestyles yet again.

I worked before I had the DDs. I worked damn hard and I was careful with money. I was very ill after I had DD2 and had to take early retirement. I moved back to where my parents live and, as property is cheaper, I don't need a mortgage. This means that, coupled with the pitiful maintenance I get for the DDs, I can just about manage. And it is pitiful. I claim nothing from the state either.

I'd love to be able to go on holiday, to get a new car, etc. But I can't, I can't do anything about that, and I don't complain.

Although WTF I am justifying my lifestyle yet again is beyond me.

SarahStratton · 23/09/2011 17:55

Oh Klad, I like the farm one. Just one question though, photo of the basement (I think) near the bottom of the page - is that a fridge/freezer or a great big fuck off boiler? Hmm

baguettecut · 23/09/2011 17:56

It's funny...Only on Mumsnet does this ever even cross my mind..and I see loads of SAHM on the school run etc. Each of us is unique, none of us lives in each others' families. Eveybody has their demons, hard times: Working Mothers, Stay at home Mothers, there is no 'Perfect Life'. We just live the best way we know how.

knottyhair · 23/09/2011 18:01

Well said SarahStratton. I love being at home, and get great pleasure out of cooking from scratch every day, baking, growing our own fruit & veg etc. I also know that I'm very lucky to have the choice, which is the key word here, to have the lifestyle I want, and to be able to take & collect DS from school, which again is what I want to do. Not bored, not filling time, not spending it having coffee with friends all the time, but just giving DS the homelife I, and DP, would like him to have. I'm on the go all day, and get my "psychological relief" (Hmm) when I've cleared up after our evening meal and we can all sit down and relax together. I have to say the criticism does usually fly both ways, but not on this thread it seems. And I thought feminism was about giving women a choice....

jellybeans · 23/09/2011 18:04

Great post further up by myhandslooksoold.

I am a SAHM but have previously worked fulltime with DD1. I love SAH but do not expect everyone to do it too. If WOHM are happy then that is great! That is because i am happy with what i am doing.

So I am skeptical that happy WOHMs would slate the SAHM choice or think their way is the only way. When I was a WOHM I didn't care what others did nor put SAHMs down. So I wonder if deep down (maybe subconsciously) they are not happy or sure about their choice and wish everyone had to do it their way in case they were wrong then they wouldn't look bad. Just to repeat that I only think this of those WOHMs who insist on putting SAHMs down.

Paid work can be great but so can not working too. If we define people purely through paid work then where does that leave retired people or those who have disabilities. Being a SAHM has enabled me to study and enrich my life in many ways. I still have plenty of adult contact with friends and networks. I feel a better parent for SAH (for me personally-not that everyone would do) after trying working. I didn't fail (as soemone said further back), I chose to leave work. Luckily for me, DH got a better paid job which was more than we both earned and only involved 39 hrs a week so we both get plenty of time with the kids. Why would me 'working' (when i already have a 'job' here to do) and involving a 3rd party help in anyway?

Gigondas · 23/09/2011 18:06

Good post jellybeans

knottyhair · 23/09/2011 18:08

Hit the nail on the head jellybeans Smile

Pagwatch · 23/09/2011 18:16

I haven't insulted you. I said I thought the views you expressed were cliche and uninformed.

I believe they are. You base your opinion on the set of people you know, ignoring the many posts to the contrary. Your views are indicative onky of the people you mix with which will obviously be a very small sample.

If I judged the world by the people I mixed with at dds school gate I would assume everyone in the world drove a BMW or a 4x4. That would also be uninformed.

It is faintly funny that given the lashings of abuse on here you pick my posts as insulting.

Gay40 · 23/09/2011 18:22

So to summarise: self-indulgent pissfarting around, with the odd day of child-being-sick/reclassifying the daffodil bulbs and making jam out of old socks.

Kladdkaka · 23/09/2011 18:23

Sarah it looks like a heat exchange thingy, something you don't have in the UK. That one looks about 4x bigger than the one we have.

Somewhere in the borough there will be the biggest wood fired boiler you have ever seen in your life. At the one near us, they literally put whole trees into it. This boiling water is then piped underground into houses close enough to civilisation. That machine uses that boiling water to heat the mains water coming into the house. The little grey box on the side is the meter, measuring your usage.

The green machine underneath looks like a wood fired boiler. So it looks like they use a combination of council heater water and owner heater water.

CeliaFate · 23/09/2011 18:27

Oh Gay, yes, that's right. Well done. Off you pop now please.

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