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to think that only a pretentious arse would dress his toddler dd in a Ramones t shirt?

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bibbitybobbityhat · 15/09/2011 23:37

I looked at the Dad.

I looked at his little chubby toddler daughter in her pink Ramones t shirt.

I thought "God you are a twat"

AIBU?

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LeQueen · 16/09/2011 10:50

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WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 16/09/2011 10:50

LeQueen I think while children are young they should see clothes purely as a practical item.

It's fine that you want that but the kids might not feel the same. They might WANT to wear a tutu around the house or at the supermarket even though they are not on their way to ballet class. Why is that so wrong?

MillyR · 16/09/2011 10:51

Well no, of course you wouldn't let a child go to the shops in a swimming costume; it is impractical. What has that got to do with a picture on a tshirt?

WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 16/09/2011 10:53

LeQueen I think your statement of desperately contrived and painfully twee probably sums up your ideas and tastes. That doesn't expalin though why you think it's wrong for other people to dress their kids as they wish.

LeQueen · 16/09/2011 10:56

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animula · 16/09/2011 10:58

Widowwadman: "a certain defensiveness re. one's identity has entered the psyche of the parent."

If you're going to be scathing, at least read all the words!

Love JenaiMarr and WilsonFrickett's posts.

Have to say, dd had a "band" t-shirt when small. And I used to love dressing my two up. Favourite item was a purple jacket ds had, which earned us a scathing comment in a Primrose Hill cafe: "God. This place. All these groovy parents and their groovy kids." I'm not "groovy". I was merely sailing in the wake of the purple jacket's "grooviness".

LeQueen · 16/09/2011 10:59

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BorderBinLiner · 16/09/2011 10:59

I provide my DDs with a comprehensive mid 30s music education: Bowie, Julian Cope, Nirvana - including Bleach (I'm thorough), the Cramps, Vanila Ice. I'd like them to consider DJing on a semi pro basis through Uni ( they're 6 & 4 at the moment Grin)
DH covers Queen, prog rock, Dad rock...

But T shirts choices that's a rite of passage for the kids to discover along with make up, earrings, dodgy market stall clothing and drugs.

YANBU and I saw the Ramones 20 years ago at Brixton Academy and even then I was cool enough to realise I was ten years too late.

Sevenfold · 16/09/2011 11:00

yabu
dd has 2 rolling stones t shirts(that she loves)

Empjusa · 16/09/2011 11:00

"And there remains the dubious issue of the fact it's a mass-produced object, which thus sits ironically alongside the fact that it portrays a signifier of individuation and counter-culture - the fact that it is mass-produced"

Now that I agree with.

However I shall be dressing my children in handmade spray painted Manics t-shirts - mainly to piss of people like the OP. Grin

WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 16/09/2011 11:02

LeQueen But wearing one on a farm...while climbing trees, straddling gates, climbing on a tractor...? Completely impractical, and is all about how the child looks.

No it's not. You are assuming that it's the parents choice but perhaps it's the childs. And if it's all about how it looks surely they would do that somewhere the child would be seen rather then in the country on a farm.

animula · 16/09/2011 11:04

"However I shall be dressing my children in handmade spray painted Manics t-shirt"

Empjusa · 16/09/2011 11:06

I'll be expecting royalties Wink

SuePurblybilt · 16/09/2011 11:06

YY, do we know what the Ramones/Sex Pistols think about people dressing their toddlers in £3 sweat-shop produced mini-ts? Cos that's kicking it to The Man.

Band T shirts are only cool (or groovy, love that word Wink) if they're the original, washed-out, sweaty version. Buying repros and fake vintage from Topman and H&M is surely cancelling out the grooviness? Like those fakey printed Ts from Primark - here's a clue - if you have to write 'vintage' on the item it probably isn't.

WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 16/09/2011 11:08

How do we know they are sweat-shop produced?

AmazingBouncingFerret · 16/09/2011 11:09

As an aside and going by some previous comments furter up thread... why are people who like a certain band but are not old enough to have seen them live looked down upon?
I have been to sooo many gigs and if many years down the line I got talking to someone who was younger and liked the band I wouldnt snort and say yeah well i'm a proper fan because I was lucky enough to be born in the era where it was possible to see them live, I would just share my experiences with them.

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BupcakesandCunting · 16/09/2011 11:11

My DS wears a Ramones t-shirt. He does actually like The Ramones, Blitzkrieg Bop being one of his favourite songs.

Couldn't really give a glittery shit about the likes of OP thinking we're twats tbh.

BeattieBow · 16/09/2011 11:11

I got ds1 one - I think they're from H&M. He pronounced it the Ramonies. (so cool).

Oh well. they were cheap and dh did like the band and did go and see them.

WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 16/09/2011 11:12

LeQueen What are you talking about?! The farm shop selling tutus?! Don't they sell potatoes?!

WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 16/09/2011 11:15

LeQueen* You are coming out with all these silly arguments. Why don't you just admit that you look down your nose at that sort of thing as it's "contrived and twee"? You don't have to come up with arguments against it if you just don't like it.

BorderBinLiner · 16/09/2011 11:17

There is nothing more uncool then trying too hard and repro band t-shirts, sorry you're too late.

Le Queen has a point, my DDs love a good flouncy skirt but in 'proper' countryside with brambles they don't work, it' a barb thing, does n't mix with tulle.

And another thing if you lot send your kids round here with open toed shoes and little skirts on one more time i'll ban the lot of you - wellies and trousers, it's muddy out there next to the stinging nettles and I'm fed up of the whining.

WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 16/09/2011 11:20

BorderBinLiner LeQueen was just using the countryside as an example. She doesn't like that sort of thing whereever it is.

SuePurblybilt · 16/09/2011 11:22

Re the 'how do we know they're from sweat shops?' - I don't. I didn't see the person in the OP and I don't own one of these shirts.
But H&M, mentioned up thread, do not have an entirely shiny ethical trading policy, despite anti-child labour and sweat shop pledges. Much the same as most high street stores for that matter, I have no particular beef with H&M but they were the ones mentioned.

My point was that mass-produced clothes making millions for the likes of H&M are not exactly the weapons of anarchy Grin.

animula · 16/09/2011 11:25

Sod it. I am going to post this, partly to wind-up gently tease Widowwadwam and provoke her to propose me for Pseud's Corner (a friend has made it there - I'd love to join that distinguished company).

I saw a great piece of art touching on some of this the other day.

It was a woman's face, made up of hundreds of little badges, each depicting an image of mass-produced femininity/political and social identity.

Badges, of course, occupy that internecine position between individuation and mass-production: they ambivalently portray the late-capitalist "individual's" struggle to affirm/assemble their singular identity through a bricolage of objects ready-made, and signify the sense that, within an all-pervasive consumer-capitalist culture, identities must be chosen and assembled - with the consequent sense of fracture and aporia (the "space" between the badges) from amongst pre-exisiting things/identities. the element of "prodction" is transferred to this choosing and assembling. An ambivalent melancholy haunts the assembled identity, as a ghostly sense of non-wholeness and incongruency between the assemblage and the ideal towards which this aims.

Whether this sense of haunting melancholy should be read as marking the inauthenticity of identity in consumerist capital or as signifying a bad-faith nostalgia for late-nineteenth/early twentieth-century discourses of political emancipation of course depends on the subject's political/social beliefs.

It was good.

And the joke was that all the badges were hand-made.