to think that only a pretentious arse would dress his toddler dd in a Ramones t shirt?

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I looked at the Dad.

I looked at his little chubby toddler daughter in her pink Ramones t shirt.

I thought "God you are a twat"

AIBU?

In fact, I'm going to order her a Ramones shirt now. Can't believe I've left it 3 years.

What boils my piss is the teenage girls wearing Ramones shirts who have no idea who the fuck they are. At least own one of the cds or learnt the words to Judy is a punk first.

Yes exactly Empjusa!

animula "The T-shirts really say "My parents used to be young, with dreams, and passions. I know you'd never believe it, but it's true."

So what! Why is that a bad thing?

LeQueen I try and minimise any statement I make by dressing our DDs as plainly and nondescript as possible. They just wear jeans and jersey tops, all fairly unisex, and never any slogans or garish trinkets. I possibly have the two blandest dressed DDs, ever

Why is it "making a statement" to dress children in any clothes other then plain jeans and jersey tops? You could say that you are making your own statement by doing that.

I don't care about the tshirt, but I do think skinny jeans are impractical.

Aren't they uncomfortable around the knee if you are riding a book or climbing?

Riding a book? Obviously I mean riding a bike!

Is it always eccentric to wear tutu style skirt? Or is it the wearing it on a camp site with wellies that makes it eccentric?

Lawks, LQ, my DD wore a tutu and wellies for about a year . To be fair, she wore the tutu all the time and the wellies cos we live in the country, it wasn't a styled look .

I am torn on this one. On the one hand I can picture the man in the OP and yes, he is an utter twat.

On the other, I hate the 'little monster/my mummy is yummy' shite even more. In fact, I hate all clothing used to communicate, when I rule the world I will ban words on clothes. To me, T-shirt slogans are like bumper stickers - who the feck are you talking to? Why are you telling randoms that you Saw The Lions At Longleat? Why do you think anyone cares? Can you not shut up talking about yourself, even when you're silent?

It truly baffles me, but I realise I am in the minority so will gibber quietly

Any clothes you choose for your child say something about you. Long may it reign - I LOVE picking out their clothes but I get the feeling that as DD heads towards 2 I'm soon not going to be able to impose my will so easily.

I hate clothes that label the child "trouble" or "princess" etc because I think parents who go with that must actually agree with that, and so be raising their kids in that way. But ramones - meh. If you like the ramones, put them on your baby while you can, I say. Just the same as if you like a dinosaur top or a £££ boden cardie with a knitted bird on it.

(Half the time I pick kids clothes that I wish were made in adult sizes, for me.)

DS had a Bruce Lee babygro that a friend gave him - twas cool.

Whohasmyeyebrows - I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing, I just think that whenever I see children in those T-shirts.

Widowwadman - the point is, adorning your children thusly is the sign that a certain defensiveness re. one's identity has entered the psyche of the parent.

And there remains the dubious issue of the fact it's a mass-produced object, which thus sits ironically alongside the fact that it portrays a signifier of individuation and counter-culture - the fact that it is mass-produced by adults, for children who are nowhere near choosing/exploring the individuation does, actually, make it a little bit different to other items of clothing. Mainly because it takes the whole individuation thing that the image on the front (used to) represent(s) and effectively renders it vacuous.

Maybe.

It can mark the point where the adult purchaser has moved from being a producer of a counter-culture to a consumer of its (emptied) signifiers.

Perhaps.

Mind you, would it be worse of better to put your dd in a Justin Bieber T-shirt with the words "I hate" scrawled above the Bieber's name?

Yes it is vacuous, but so what? I would kind of hope any selection of attire has a vacuous element. There are other things we need to get serious about. It's not inappropriate unless it's upsetting, rude, graphic sex/violence etc. IMO.

Adults raise children and impose ideas, cultural values, etc etc on them all the time - the home you grow up in surrounds you with these values - being adult doesn't necessarily make them inappropriate.

Maybe the issue with it is not whether the child likes listening to the Ramones but do they like looking at the Ramones? I can understand cute crocodile tshirt or similar but that is what kids like looking at - animals characters in picture books and on tv. Do a lot of toddlers like watching the Ramones or looking at picture books about them?

LeQueen It sounds as though it's just not your "thing", which is fine each to their own. It's not my thing to dress my children in the plainest clothes either. But whichever way you look at it, you are making a statement by the way you dress your kids if the other parent is making a statement with the way they dress theirs.

The fact that you find it innapropriate is just to do with your taste.

I don't actually agree with the "statement" idea either, as I think it's more just personal taste. I think it's only a statement if you are expecting a response.

It's not inappropriate unless it's upsetting, rude, graphic sex/violence etc. IMO. I agree LadyWord

My shaggy-haird blonde DS6 wears skinny jeans and a Ramones black and white t-shirt and he looks bleddy amazing in them. He is cool and he looks cool. I am no longer cool so of course I am living vicariously through him. So bite me.

And YABU (but not about the pink, that's just wrong).

MillyR But they can't see the t-shirt while they are wearing it.

Yup it's pretentious. But I'd have done it.

I've spent almost 11 years trying to brainwash get ds to share my excellent taste in music - it has failed.

He is a big fan of Black Sabbath though and has a t-shirt, which is pretty cool I think.

LeQueen Tutus whilst doing ballet, or dressing up for fun is fine...Wearing them on a farm weekend away, with wellies and jeans, while collecting eggs and climbing trees just looks desperately contrived and painfully twee.

But what about if that's what the child wants to wear? Would you say no because it's "contrived darrrling" or because it's twee? Or would you let them express themselves and have a little bit of control over one aspect of their lives but chosing their own clothes sometimes?

animula "one's identity has entered the psyche of the parent."

I'd would have thought that it's pretty normal for someone's identity to reside in their psyche.

They can see bits of it, unless it is skin tight. Also, the children they are playing with can see it. Kids also get excited about putting a tshirt on if it has a character that they love and are attached to. Do kids really feel the same way about the Ramones as they do about say, a bear motif which reminds them of a much loved toy?

I would have thought dressing children was more about their play, their likes, and their peers than being entirely a statement about an adult.

by not but

Seriously, how Pseud's corner is that posting?