STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AND STOP THE ATTACKS ON SN PARENTS

[4madboys]

ok NOT an aibu, but this is where it will be seen the most and it NEEDS awareness.

quite frankly, i along with others am appalled at the comments that are being made and left to stand, toward the SN community, they are downright offensive and quite simply appalling.

i am sure (or hope) that the majority on here do NOT agree with them but yet the SN community on mn are not being supported, whether this is because people do not know what to say, or they havent seen these posts i do not know?

BUT IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT THINGS CHANGED, so this a thread where you can stand up and be counted and say that you do not agree with the disregard, blatant trolling and offensive behaviour towards our lovely mn who have or are dealing with sn in their family.

they need this place for support, not the vile behaviour that they are getting.

so please post here and show your support and help make a change for the better.

all it takes is a smile next to your name to show you agree :)

[VJay]

here

[Dawndonna]

:)

[EricNorthmansMistress]

:)
I reported a thread by a poster with an offensive username containing the R word. HQ deleted the post but left the username to stand. They stated that they couldn't remove the username without deleting all their posts. I believe that if you choose a disablist username you forfeit the right to keep your posts! (this was clearly a troll in any case) and I can't imagine a username 'niggersRus' being allowed to stand under any circumstances.

Perhaps this could function as a petition to ask MNHQ to review their policies around deleting disablist content and language.

[4madboys]

well they seem to be moderating other posts quick enough trillian, infact there has been a thread complaing that they are doing so too much, yet much of the abuse towards the sn community goes unchecked and i think them having a clear policy towards this issue would help. i dont think thats too much to ask.

[ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin]

Trillian, if this is a self-moderating site for the most part, we've got thousands of potential moderators who can say 'fuck off'

[AtYourCervix]

edamSun 11-Sep-11 11:41:46

HQ, I have seen some ruddy nasty, prejudiced posts about SN, and you seem to be reluctant to deal with them in the same manner as you deal with, for e.g., racism. MN is an example of the hierarchy of discrimination where racism is taken very, very seriously, the others are tackled to some extent, and prejudice against the disabled is ignored.


Poached from edam who has put it better than I can.

[PublicHair]

i am absolutely horrified at some of the opinions and shite which is posted on here and left to stand,unchallenged by anyone (or very few of us\parents of sn kids)
you aren't allowed to call someone a silly cow but you are allowed to say really offensive stuff to parents of sn kids.
mnhq have been caught napping here IMO - i've had the 'stop being naughty' email several times for swearing and trollhunting type escapades. Yet some of the seriously horrible, personally insulting trolling towards the sn community is apparently OK.

[festi]

I have stood up to anti sn posters on actual threads and was told that it is important that posters educate these people. I reported anti disablist language and was told that certain phrases on that thread was not universaly offensife so the post would remain. I will try to link to that particular thread but it was very upsetting for many people.

[4madboys]

and i also think that mnhq saying they leave posts so that there can be debate and to 'educate' those that make such ignorant comments is quite frankly patronising and a cop out.

people can and should educate themselves, not rely on the sn community to do it for them!

if mnhq think that people need to be educated then maybe they should be doing it themselves?

[EricNorthmansMistress]

That's exactly it Trillian, I have read posts by people who are upset that they have reported something offensive and MNHQ have actively decided to allow it to stay. Given the perfectly innofensive things that are deleted with no cause I think that stinks. They recently deleted a thread of mine without even reading it, because someone had reported it as something it wasn't. I posted again and it went to 1000+ posts and sparked several follow on threads so obviously a relevant issue that MNers wanted to discuss.

[Kladdkaka]

Agent no it doesn't offend me, it just seemed a bit ...... I dunno. I think I'm a bit perplexed to be honest. I have seen lots of really unpleasant posts showing worrying attitudes to people with disabilities and that does upset me. But I can also say I have never seen those posts go unchallenged en masse by other posters. So I don't understand the claim that we are not supported here.

[PublicHair]

trills, they are quick off the mark with the delete button in most cases (some would say a little too quick) and leave really really horrible stuff if it's 'only' anti sn.

[TrillianAstra]

That's kind of what I meant ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin.

Things that are being allowed are either:
1 - not being reported
2 - not being deleted when they are reported

Which do you think it is, OP?

[CardyMow]

I am here to be counted. I have a disability myself, and two out of 4 of my dc have SN.

[BoneyBackJefferson]

I'm with Trillion and Worra

One persons honest post with no malice is another persons troll.

[Kladdkaka]

I see from posts while I wasn't looking that some think support should mean removing posts containing offensive comments/attitudes. I actually disagree with this. If it's a one post troll doing it for kicks, fair enough, but if it's a normal poster with offensive views leave it, let the whole world see what they are like and what we have to put up with.

[4madboys]

well i have seen two threads recently where posts HAVE been reported and nothing has been done, other than a cursory we see no reason to delete.

so comments that are quite frankly disgusting 'un-special-needsy' and a poster being personally attacked have been allowed to stay and i and others have reported them.

on one thread there is a BLATANT troll who has been allowed to remain.

[VelvetSnow]

I have yet to see an anti sn comment.

However, when/if I do - I will challenge it.

:)

[worraliberty]

Thinking back on the Theme Park thread...

I posted throughout most of that thread and there were 2 or 3 posters in particular who were breathtakingly ignorant...but surely that's not a reason to get their posts deleted?

I personally learned a lot from that thread in terms of just what some parents with SN kids have to deal with from other's ignorance. I also learnt why one poster in particular seemed (on that and other SN threads) to be very hostile and dripping in sarcasm even towards perfectly genuine opinions that she didn't agree with...it was basically having to put up with years of other people's breath taking ignorance.

Had I not been on the thread and witnessed it, I don't actually think I would have believed it. So I don't think ignorance should be confused with blatant out and out insults towards the SN community.

Report the blatant insults of course, but please remember everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how crap that opinion is.

[Henrythehappyhelicopter]

I haven't seen anyone being unreasonable that has not been challenged.

I also think it is possible to stand up for yourself and others whilst sitting down.

[MmeLindor.]

:)

[Pagwatch]

Trillian

I think there are few cases, no doubt some, but few cases where a person innocently says something innocently and get kicked.

I think that if I said ' but really, what is wrong with paki shop' many people may say 'ffs, how can you even ask that'
Is that a kicking or is their innocent comment being responded to in a manner that suggests to the poster that perhaps carrying around casually racist language is not great. And that they actually do have a responsibility to educate themselves.

And if on that thread someone else say 'well personally I think pakis take all our benefits' and the 'innocent' poster happily stands on the same side of the discussion as the bigot then would you think that someone personally offended by the term 'paki' would question whether the site was against racism

It is an atmosphere that is becoming pervasive.

I think that the op is suggesting that everyone could take a more robust view in support of posters dealing with sn who, in case anyone forgets, deal with this stuff in real life as well. And that the target of the sneering is usually their much loved child.

I am endlessly disappointed that I can practically name those who would say 'ffs sake, that is not appropriate'. And that they are now roundly mocked as the professionally offended.
It is all quite thick and unpleasant really