to think MNHQ should not be deleting posts in this way? WARNING: Ranty

[doublestandard]

So, having a post deleted is a MN rite of passage and all that, but I think MNHQ have got a bit trigger happy with the delete button of late but not in a good way. And yes this is a bit thread about a thread but I think it's a general problem and worth discussing.

As an example, I have recently had a post from AIBU deleted because I said the manner in which a poster had disregarded others opinions was "flaming arrogant" and that "You have come across on this thread as a self-important, judgey know-it-all". Apparently this constitutes a personal attack?? Since when have we not been allowed to say that a specific post on a thread suggests arrogance? Or that a poster is coming across in a certain way? It is not saying the poster is arrogant or a self-important, judgey know-it-all but that is how they are being perceived.

Now ordinarily I'd shrug this off but I'm seeing more and more posters crying "personal attack!" when disagreed with and then having posts that seem to me to be quite reasonable deleted. I am also baffled that MNHQ have decided that it is not a personal attack to leave up comments by another poster stating that I condone child abuse (I mean what the actual fuck?!) when I have said nothing of the kind and because my post above is deleted people can't make up their own minds. Either delete both or delete neither surely?

I think most people on MN employ an attack the posts, not the poster as a rule. Yes, it is a bit more blunt on AIBU than relationships or behaviour and development for example, and I think that's right, but I find the nannying attitude and selective decisions not to be in the spirit of MN.

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I have namechanged because I don't want to draw any more attention to the thread where MNHQ sees fit to allow a post to stand that falsely states I support the abuse of children. I suspect a few people may recognise me and/or the thread so I'd prefer not to be outed thanks.

In the interests of fairness there was another part of my post that MNHQ felt could be interpreted as "giving the finger". It was actually nothing of the kind - it was a reference to being part of a particular organisation and then a flounce - but I can see how someone might have interpreted it as that even if I don't agree. Fair enough to decide to take it down, but why leave up a libellous post stating a poster condones child abuse when the orginal post is not there to be judged?

I have raised this with MNHQ and the second paragraph draws on their email response.

It is. And it's become a pet peeve which means it's time for some deep breathing and trying to let it go :o

Trying to practice this non-attachment stuff is hard!!!

Shit, cross-post!! I didn't mean your double-posting has become a pet peeve lissie :o, I was responding to psammead.

Ok, why does the thread name bar at the top of this page keep saying "(full thread)" when it's not even 200 posts long?

Jacks, mine's doing that on every thread I click on

I think if certain people check their spreadsheets, I may have, at one point in the past been against an edit button, but one with a time limit would be very useful.

And I love you too, but don't tell my husband.

Haven't read the whole thread but can certainly see why OP would be upset that her post was deleted whilst the one that is probably more in danger of being insulting - to her - remains.
I think MNHQ would do well to look at the issue of balance in such situations, and perhaps have a policy in favour of deleting either both posts or neither ( at least considering case by case whether this would be best )

Jacks, its ok. It is however, a peeve of mine

Jacks, its ok. It is however, a peeve of mine

I too am convinced Olivia and Helen MNHQ Walk Amongst Us . Look for the most foul-mouthed on the XF threads and ye shall find them. Or Strickly, I can see them slagging sequins on the Strickly threads too.

I can confirm it was neither Oliva nor Helen MNHQ who sent The Email. It was someone else. But the flipping post about child abuse is still there!

I would like to go back to posting "I'm a CUNT" and not have to worry about this stuff

@SuePurblybilt

I too am convinced Olivia and Helen MNHQ Walk Amongst Us . Look for the most foul-mouthed on the XF threads and ye shall find them. Or Strickly, I can see them slagging sequins on the Strickly threads too.

Olivia, we're rumbled

doublestandard, there has been a lot of kidding around on this thread, but I am entirely serious here - if you PM me a link to the thread, and give me the time that the post accusing you of condoning child abuse was posted, I will report the post and ask for it to be deleted on the grounds that it is a vile personal attack and should not be allowed to stand.

You are obviously, and understandably, very upset about it, and since OliviaMumsnet is on this thread, I would like to ask her why MNHQ hasn't addressed this and removed the post. And I'd like a genuine answer and not be quoted the guidelines. The guidelines should apply to everyone. If personal attacks aren't allowed, they shouldn't be allowed on anyone. Let's try to be fair here, huh?

YANBU

There's a difference between posting You're a cunt and You're being a cunt, surely

Unless you're a dick

I think deletion should be saved only for things like accidentally or on purpose outing someone in real life. While it might not be 'nice' to see a poster calling you a cunt, it gives everybody a very good understanding of that person. And there could always be like a strikes policy - people can report others being general dicks and MNHQ keeps an eye on it. If they do it too often and are just generally not being fun to play with, their account gets deleted (after warnings and explanations, etc).

Cunts don't like dicks, because cunts get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Cunts may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a cunt to show them that. But sometimes, cunts can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because cunts are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and cunts all covered in shit!

HTH

There would be fewer threads with me saying "this is in the wrong topic" if you posted anywhere but AIBU!

Yes but Trillian, come on, it does get a bit wearing. Does it really matter all that much in which topic someone posts?

It gets a bit wearing to see people saying "this isn't really an AIBU but I've posted it here because it gets more traffic.

The reason it gets more traffic is because people like you never go any bloody place else!

(where "you" = the person starting the "this isn't an AIBU but" thread)

Report my posts if you think I'm wrong - if MNHQ are as trigger-happy as you say it'll be easy to get rid of them right?

TAMPONS

yabu
I would like to see more deletions, and bans.
fed up with seeing decent posters leave mn because of the nasty bigots

Thanks Jacks have PM'd you.

Trillian I admire your perseverance, but isn't it exhausting? Why does it matter to you so much? Really would like to know.

:o @ TAMPONS

Is that a new swear word?

Seriously, though - it is a fair point that AIBU gets the most traffic. And I don't think it's because of all the posters who post in the wrong topic. AIBU just attracts attention.

And I wouldn't report you just for saying "you're posting in the wrong topic". I might if you wrote "you're posting in the wrong topic you fuckwitted cunt" :o but you're not that sort. :)

Op Yanbu