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to wish mil would stp ranting about ds learning to swim and to think a 4 year old doesn't *need* to

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lecce · 29/08/2011 22:09

Sorry this is long, it probably seem something and nothing but it is getting to me!

Mil is quite a controlling woman - she loves being a gp but can be quite opinionated. Fortunately, we share similar opinions on most aspects of child-rearing, though she has made comments here and there, which I have tended to smile and ignore.

The main 'problem' (though it hasn't really caused and huge problem as such, yet) is that when she spends time with the dc she likes to be in charge and dominate them. I am f/t wohp and dh a sahd so we have mainly got around this by her seeing them while I am at work - thereby giving dh a little break and not annoying me!

When ds1 was about 6 months old and I went back to work she said she wanted to take him to swimming lessons. Now I can't swim Blush and dh was new to being a sahd then and unsure about whether he could/wanted to take ds to the parent/ child sessions, so we agreed. I will admit I felt a little put out about it because I felt that she wanted to have a 'project' with ds - it wasn't enough for her to visit him, she had to be the one to teach him to swim. I told myself I was being silly/ a bitch and the swimming lessons went ahead, with much fanfare from mil.

Ds was always a little lacking in confidence physically and I became aware that mil was having problems getting him to join in with some of the activities the class were doing - splashing/etc. She was never horrible about it but she did make several comments comparing him to other children and this annoyed me. I raised it with dh and he felt I was just jealous of his mother taking ds swimming, there may well have been some truth in this so I let it drop.

Another annoyance was that I am a teacher and she continued with the lessons during the school holidays. This was ok in itself (though I will admit a couple of times I deliberatlely accidentally arranged other stuff on those days so it had to be cancelled) but she lives a 90 minute drive away, suffers from insomnia and the lesson was at 9.45am. She would arrive right at the last minute, in a complete flap and bark orders at me about the stuff he needed. It was a pain and I began to think if it was so hard for her why didn't she just drop it? We never asked her to take him. It became clear dh felt the same as I did as when I mentioned her lateness/stressed manner he agreed and said he was worried it was too much for her.

Fortunately, I then went on mat leave with ds2 and it all fizzled out a little and then ds turned 3 and too old for the accompanied classes anyway. We considered starting him on the next classes but money was pretty tight when I was on mat leave and it was not our priorty. Since then (this was over a year ago) mil is always on at us to start him on the classes saying we 'really must get it sorted' and asking whether we have 'managed to sort it out yet' and sighing heavily when the answer is 'no'. The thing is, we have looked into it but I really don't see any hurry. I have done some research and it seems to suggest that most children aren't physically ready to swim before 7 and he will get lessons through school before then, right? He and his brother do 2 other classes - both of which they asked to do and love and to do a third seems an expense we could forgo - or AWBU?

The thing is, now she has said that she is going to start taking ds1 to swimminng lesosns again - why???? Why can't it be our decision? I feel she has decided that we are so irresponsible we were never going to get around to it and it has all been left to her yet does he really need to swim now? I say no. I am also annoyed that she doesn't offer to take ds2 to the same classes she took ds1 to. Imo, that would be the more logical step and would mean she had treated them both equally but instead she has this obsession with ds1 swimming but couldn't care less about ds2! (Btw, I don't expect her to take ds2, just feel it would make more sense than what she is proposing.) Also, I am not sure how she would deal with any reluctance on ds's part (I am sure there would be some because he would be nervous) and just feel that she may handle it in a way dh and I would not be happy with - I'm not talking about endangering him, obviously, but he does lack confidence a little physiacally (though has improved a lot) and I don't know how gentle she'd be and how much comparing him to others in the class there would be. Most of all, I really don't like being told that this is happening.

AIBU to tell her no?

OP posts:
tryingtoleave · 30/08/2011 14:23

My dcs were extremely confident in the water, swimming alone in floaties or rings from 2 - I've just never seen a three year old swimming properly. Obviously they are out there, though.

naturalbaby · 30/08/2011 14:27

lecce - i can identify with a lot of your statements and don't think you're being spiteful at all. when rubbed up the wrong way, repeatedly, by someone who won't take a hint (regardless of whether it's mil, dh or complete stranger) i wouldn't exactly smile and be gracious about the 'favours' the other person is doing.

not read all the posts so sorry if repeating but it's not about teaching them to swim at this age, it's about water safety. the idea of repeating the same boring songs and movements every week (which we do at our leisure centre and in private baby swim lessons) is to help the child if it falls into water. the instructor at the leisure centre tells us every week about a 2yr old that drowned in a very shallow paddling pool in our county a few months ago Sad

PumpkinBones · 30/08/2011 14:36

I think it is important for all children to learn to swim, and the consensus amongst people I know has been the later they start, the more time is spent on establishing water confidence. DS1 could swim at 3, and now has advanced through the first couple of stages in swimming lessons more quickly just because he had a lot more confidence in the water, having gone since he was a baby (we didn't start lessons until he was 3, I don't think it is worth paying for lessons, any younger, we just went weekly)

The swimming doesn't sound like the issue, though, it sounds like your MIL just annoys you - which I can totally relate to!

TheBossofMe · 30/08/2011 14:51

tryingtoleave my 3.6 yo is a confident swimmer, can swim a length an dive to bottom of the deep end. Not unusual for here

MrsSnow · 30/08/2011 15:16

Short story:

When I was 5 and my cousin was 4 we went with our families for a walk in Hyde Park, we ran ahead of our parents and my cousin slipped and fell into the Serpentine. Our parents were a distance away and there were no other adults around. My cousin, at 4, was a good swimmer. He survived because he could swim.

Regarding swimming lessons YABU

Regarding MIL dictating what is happening YANBU

Why don't you get lessons where you can all learn together. Could be fun for your DS and also for you to learn an essential skill AND have some special time together.

pink4ever · 30/08/2011 16:34

Op seems I am going against the grain here but I think yanbu. At the end of the day it is your child and up to you when/how he learns to swim. I agree mil seems to be using the swimning thing to control/as a stick to beat you with.
I learned to swim at a young age-gp's took us and just told us to jump in-deep end-so it was swim or drown!. Also had lots of lessons at school but although I enjoy swimning I wouldnt class myself as a strong swimner.
Both my dcs started swimning as babies-went to mother and toddler lessons then progressed onto classes. Was a complete waste of money imo. Although they had fun and maybe learned a bit of confidence in the water neither of them learned to swim-went for 2 years btw.
Ds 8 can now swim a couple of laps-mainly doggy paddle but he is not afraid of going under water or being in deep end. Dd 4 will only swim with her armbands on. Am not concerned in the least and am sure when she gets to 6/7 she will be swimning too.

trixymalixy · 30/08/2011 18:33

Tryingtoleave, I have my DS on video aged 3 yrs 1 month swimming the width of the pool unaided no arm bands or other swim aid. He wasn't unusual, all of his swimming class of around the same age could do the same.

Well done OP for sorting out swimming lessons.

Hersetta · 30/08/2011 19:14

My daughter is 4 tomorrow and she has her 10m on her back and 20m on her front. She can dive, do star floats and dive down to the bottom of the pool and has been able to do this for the last 4 months so they definitely can swim before 7 - not sure where you heard this but it definitely is not correct.

I think it is vital that children learn to be safe sround water as early as possible. DD started at 16 weeks and so will DS who is nearly 5 weeks old.

BimboNo5 · 30/08/2011 19:18

A 4 year old doesnt NEED to learn to swim? Confused What world is that in?

exoticfruits · 30/08/2011 19:22

One without any water Bimbo. Hmm

everlong · 30/08/2011 20:51

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WinkyWinkola · 30/08/2011 22:32

Hersetta, your dd sounds amazingly able! I'm so impressed. My dd is only just putting her face in the water and it's taken her a year of swimming lessons to be able to doggy paddle across the pool with arm bands on. Heigh ho.

I'm not sure why the mil needs to be quite so forceful about it all though. If somebody told me what they were going to do with my child, I'd be pretty cheesed off it. However, if someone asked me about swimming and said how happy they would be do it with my ds because they love him etc, I'd be very pleased.

This isn't really about the swimming.. .. ... there is a greater malaise in the relationship.

thecaptaincrocfamily · 30/08/2011 22:44

My next door neighbour could swim a mile and was part of a swimming club at 4 Shock. It amazes me tbh but proves that an early start means good swimming if kept up. By 6 the girl had done her bronze, silver and gold awards for life saving!

thecaptaincrocfamily · 30/08/2011 22:46

Hersetta hats off to you! My dd1 is 5 and can swim about 5-10 m unaided with doggy paddle. DD2 uses arm bands but is happy to jump off the side/ go in the big pool out of her depth and under water. I intend to enroll her into lessons soon, because she is now ready to take instructions Smile

Solo · 31/08/2011 00:10

Bimbo, 4 year old children die from drowning in garden ponds or in rivers...it makes perfect sense for children to know how to swim as early as is possible. Surely that is plain sensible? Hmm

Thumbwitch · 31/08/2011 00:51

Solo - not sure Bimbo was suggesting they didn't need to swim - although it's a bit ambiguous, I read it that she was expresssing confusion that anyone thought they didn't need to.

Solo · 31/08/2011 15:21

Hello TW :) how are you?
Yes! I apologise Bimbo, I have just re read your post and now see what you mean...I was tired when I read it last night and didn't add an intonation to your post...I don't think I saw the Confused face either! Sorry!!!

Thumbwitch · 31/08/2011 17:16

Solo - have PMd you - but am off to bed now :)

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