To be irritated by people who say they can't lose weight?

[BeerSnake]

umm just eat less and get out more. Or am I being unreasonable?

WhoseGoMyEyebrows it's for general healthy eating and sort of weight loss. The clincs doctor says that if you stick to it, you will lose weight eventually as a side effect of eating properly, but it's not a weight loss plan as such. Basically if you are eating properly so your body will find it's natural weight. They don't recommend anyone going below 2000 cals, ever. They say that if you want to lose more, you do more, not eat less.

I've been going for 4 years now as I really struggle with routine and focus, being an aspie I can get so engrossed in what I'm doing that I don't realise it's been 3 days since I last ate. Then I'll eat and eat and eat until I'm sick. I lost 3 stone in those 4 years, just from following the schedule as best I can. I haven't lost any for the last year because I've reached the point where I have to follow it precisely and do more, which I'm getting help with from an autism specialist but it's like pushing water up hill with a fork.

Just wanted to add another gem I've learnt at the eating disorders clinic.

They say that reason there is a rise in obesity is that people are not eating enough. That a lifetime of incorrect messages about weight/die results in people trying to be 'good' which they can't maintain because the human body is programmed to survive. If being 'good' mean eating less than you should then you will crave high calorie food and overeat later to compensate, this is something you have no control over.

I have struggled with how much they expect me eat. My being 'good' would be a slice of toast and jam and coffee for breakfast then a salad for lunch, followed by uncontrolled scoffing of chocolate mid afternoon, then sugar induced complete exhaustion and so takeaway in the evening.

Now, I have a slice of buttered toast and jam, cereal and milk and a glass of fruit juice for breakfast. 2 chocolate chip luxury yummy cookies mid morning. A proper sandwhich at lunch. A banana mid afternoon. Normal dinner around 6pm and then fruit salad and icecream or apple crumble or scones around 9. (when I stick to it)

Kladdkaka Oh I see! Didn't realise you had an eating disorder, just assumed you were seeing a nutritionist for general healthy eating reasons.

Just wanted to say that your new diet sounds balanced and yummy!

People have different metabolisms so it is relatively harder for some people to lose weight.
I was obese as a child, at the age of 10 I weighed more than I do now. I was a fairly sedentary child and enjoyed reading and sitting down and my parents were pushy about school results so I often felt stressed and unhappy so self comforted with food.
I have managed to stay in or around a healthy BMI for all my adult life through increased exercise and watching what I eat. At the minute I am trying to follow Paul McKenna as I don't want to spend the rest of my life counting calories and as per Kladdkakas post above ultimately strict dieting appears to be an unsuccesssful way to maintain weight.

Annoyingly my cousin is stick thin and has always been that way, but then she is a twitchy type of person and has certain dietary restrictions due to stomach condition.

My mum who has always been very thin has recently been diagnosed with having severe osteoparosis so there are some arguments that being too thin is not healthy as well.

I believe for the vast majority of the population it is possible to maintain a weight within normal BMI range, but it may involve unlearning a lot of the myths around dieting and completely changing lifestyle to avoid triggers.

In January of this year I was a size 26 heading to a size 28, I am currently a size 20 heading to a size 18 fast.

I actually eat more of the same food I was eating before, I am taking no more and for 2 months less exercise than I was before.

Want to know my secret??

So do I. . .

I had an operation in Jan (gallbladder removal), that in no way should have helped/made me lose weight, in fact a lot of people put on weight post op as they can again eat fatty foods without fear of pain.

I know lots are going to think that I have changed my diet/portion size etc., but no, eating more, still making the same meals, cakes bread etc.

Whats my point?

Well as much as we do know about the human body, there is still a hell of a lot that we don?t know. Particularly when it comes to interactions of hormones/chemicals etc.

So sometimes you do have people who don?t have a diagnosed medical condition that like me had tried WW / a licenced dietarian / personal trainer and got nowhere.

Now it maybe that I?m just a freak of nature, ,but it has reinforced to me that as far as our bodies are concerned we are still bumbling around.
It may be that some of the smug people who say oh eat less/excerise more have some chemial interaction that helps them to stay slim, who knows?

Oh and people who didn't lose weight in the camps were taken away to be used in medical experiments or so I was told by my History prof.

Smells You may be hyperthyroid. If you are loosing weight rapidly without changing your exercise or eating habits, there is an underlying problem there that is not being looked at; mental or physical.

3 small meals, the largest of those should be lunch and 3 wholesome snacks a day is the best way to eat. You must eat within 30 minutes of being awake and don't eat anything major before bed; a digestive cookie and peanut butter is perfect for an example. Elevating your heart rate for an hour, 3-4 times a week and short walks the other days will help maintain a healthy lifestyle. If you want to loose weight, you have to burn more calories everyday then you put in your mouth.

YANBU... My girlfriend, overweight, sat there one morning telling me how she can't loose weight no matter how much exercising she did, while she stuffed her face with half an apple pie for breakfast. Put down the fucking twinkie and go out for a walk.

GotArt That's a hert warming story about beloved (hopefully ex if she has an sense) girlfriend.

You sound like a real charmer.

Dear GotArt, no I do not have an underactive thyroid, as I implied in my posting that other than gallstones I did not have any medical condition which would prevent me from losing weight. Sorry if that was a bit subtle for you. . .

Though actually reading your post it?s clear that you didn?t read mine. I do not need diet advice from you as I stated I am losing weight that was the POINT of my post.

In simple words when I had my gallbladder I continued to gain weight even while eating healthy wholesome food and exercising regularly. However now while actually eating the same food plus some serious holiday eating and lazing around I am losing weight.

As a Ex HCP of 17 years I can tell you that in current medical knowledge this is not normal the majority of HCP?s will tell you they are in no way connected. However as no other variable in my life as changed I have been drawn to conclude that there is a connection. As like most HCP will acknowledge that there is still alot about the human body that is not understood.

Strangely enough I had my gallbladder removed last year and I have noticed a subtle shift in my palette. Before, fatty foods caused pain but I quite liked eating them. Since the op I've completely gone off them, can't stand the feel of them in my mouth. Unfortunately what I lost in fat calories I make up for with gummi bears. Currently fixated with the feeling in the throat when you swallow them whole.

Kladdkaka - I pretty much do that (6 meals a day with 3 more majorish meals and 3 healthy snacks) without consciously realising that's what experts are now recommending. It works for me - I struggle to go for more than 2-3 hours (during waking hours) without eating something, even if it is just a kiwi fruit or apple, or perhaps a yoghurt or some olives...and my portion size at main meals is correspondingly smaller than most folks. Am size 10-12 and 5 feet 9

My husbands studying nutrition just now and he is adamant you need to eat every 2 - 3 hours. Not a full meal as someone says earlier. Im glad to see some sensible advice now.

I am certain processed foods are to blame for a lot of this too. Refined carbs are addictive to those of us who struggle to regulate their hormones - and its a vicious circle. Unfortunately sometimes eating every 2 - 3 hours and making everything from scratch isnt possible with work etc. But its trying to programme yourself to take a banana or some oatcakes with you so you snack on them rather than grab a biscuit or choccy bar. I am still working on this.

The very very respected lecturer he is studying with apparently maintains that after not eating refined sugar for so long, she actually feels nauseous at the thought of cakes etc and cannot understand why anyone would want to eat that as its horrible. I have a long way to go.

I am happy to report though that she says wine is fine (though I suspect not in large amounts!!)

I dont agree with that. Especillay for insulin resistant people. Frequents meals is not recommended and there is very little evidence that its a better approach.

Is that a University course rhonda ?

Yep. Hes in sports and fitness so its part of an overall approach to life. Its not intended as specialised advice for people with a specific health problem. There is lots of evidence to support small regular meals and snacks are the best thing for people without a specific health problem.

Its like everything else, there are always people who are exceptions, and the advice is that people should see their gps before starting anything.

Faddy and restrictive diets are just not good for you, and dont work in the long term either.

So its not a nutrition degree? Im just curious as it sounds rather different to what others teach/

rightso is right. Diabetics and also places like the Promis eating guidelines say you should not be spoking your blood sugar up and down even with the fructose in an apple.

Hoever the bottom line is if you eath good whole foods and snack on a few apples that's massively better than the typical british woman who shows off she has no lunch or she pushes a salad around her plate and then spends the afternoon working through a plate of digestives. In the grand scheme of things whether you go with my view of 3 meals, few or no snacks or 6 small meals etc if all those are good foods that's great. The problem is the 50% perhaps even 70% of British people who eat a load of rubbish.

Agree with rj's mention of the tutor. I would never ever have believed I could cease to want junk food/chocolate etc. But you do. If you just change how you eat you don't even want those foods.

Another issue which for me is much more important than weight is taht I used to catch a bout 6 germs a year, usually very bad colds, lasting about 3 weeks a time right from when I was a child. When I started to eat "clean" or whatever you want to call it I stopped catching things. That has been a huge revelation although I suppose it's obvious that what fuel you put in your body/car decides how you then are.

Its not, but his lecturer is a nationally leading nutritionist. Ive just did a quick google (to check hes not telling me nonsense) and found several recommenations for the 6 meals a day for insulin resistance in a couple of minutes too.

Different things do work for different people, but the general advice for insulin resistance seems to be to maintain a steady blood sugar level, by eating little and often so you dont spike and crash. If something else works for you, then you stick to it, Im not picking at it.

Interesting. I shall continue to disagree with that nutritionist then.

Got to agree with you xenia about the colds etc, I dont have a perfect diet but I eat much better than I did and my immune system has improved no end, skin is much clearer, sleep better too!

If we are talking diabetes, follow your doctors advice please!!!!

Very curious about the nutritionist tbh, not picking, just really has peaked my curiousity

Go have a look rightso, there is lots and lots of supporting advice from just the most basic google. Doesnt mean that if the other way works for you, its wrong.

I genuinely find this stuff really interesting too, enjoy hearing others experiences, its just hard sometimes to disagree on here without it seeming like you are having a go at someone or someone taking offence.

directing you to the last summary paragraph righto i.e. snacking helps with blood cholesterol, helps with satiety and prevents late night gorging patterns, does not affect insulin resistance (well it might if you snack on crap) etc etc

I dont need to. I am also a lecturer in nutrition and this is my area of expertise. Was just interested that somewhere was teaching something in conflict.

There is currently no evidence to support the frequent meal theory. Im talking proper evidence.