To be irritated by people who say they can't lose weight?

[BeerSnake]

umm just eat less and get out more. Or am I being unreasonable?

Well it's a bloody difficult balance to get right!

Whenever I've been pg and had ketosis I've felt bloody awful so I won't be trying it

I agree with Celadon.
When I broke my arm a few years back, I was stuck at home for 6 months, with nothing to do but cook. I became heavily interested in the whole 'River Cottage' style food thing. Everything fresh, everything natural. One particular week, I used 2.5 litres of double cream! I didnt get any exercise the whole 6 months! (bad break, no cast, fell and rebroke it, scared to go anywhere incase I did it again!) WhenI finally returned to work at the end of 6 months, I was 1.5 stone lighter!
All the food we eat nowadays is full of hidden refined sugar, salt, trans fats, E numbers and Chemicals. They mess with your blood sugar, send you into blood sugar peaks and troughs, make you crave more, then you eat more. Its designed that way by the manufacturers!

Celadon, that's how I eat. I don't ration quantities. I don't eat junk food. If we all went back to eating 3 regular meals a day like people used to do in the UK I think we'd solve a lot of the weight problems that there are. if you eat a handfull of fairly rough carb, a handful of fish or meat or other protein and a handful of veg you're doing pretty well. Avoid any product with the word low fat, reduced sugar as they are packed full of things which will hurt you. Eat simply. Don't worry about fat.

You want healthy eating for life not a very low calorie diet for a period and then you pile the weight on. Most british women don't eat enough protein and far too much refined carb. By all means cut out all refined carbs and junk foods but eating so little you['re hungry or just protein is not going to help. You'll feel awful and it's not sustainable. If you look at the diets of people in countries where most people are thin it might be a handful of local rice or plantains, fish and veg. That is balanced.

YANBU... My girlfriend, overweight, sat there one morning telling me how she can't loose weight no matter how much exercising she did, while she stuffed her face with half an apple pie for breakfast.

Put down the fucking twinkie and go out for a walk.

I think you need a more effective "after" photo . You look the same!

And interestingly there was an article published this week that links calorie reduction (for example in concentration camps) with early rates of heart disease and death

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14647896

Let's not misrerpesent that report or the overweight are going to tuck into 6 cristy creme donuts before breakfasts to help them put on weight to be healthy. The BBC say "Those living on rations of 400-800 calories a day had a 27% higher risk of heart disease in later life."

Low calorie diets are not the way to go but the problem is loads of british women eat many more calories than they need.

The apple pie for breakfast is just teh wrong food to eat. There is no protein there. It's refined white flour full of additives; a bit of apple but even that is sweet, fructose. If she was tucking into a traditional English breakfast of grilled bacon, poached eggs and may be one slice of brown toast she'd feel so much better and not be hungry until her lunch.

Your understanding of nutrition appears limited Xenia

It's hard for people to know what their basal metabolic rate is and how many calories are burned unless they are rigged up to some equipment or even maybe a heart rate monitor (and I think those tend to overestimate calories burned). It's also hard for people to know what their calories ingested are, unless they weigh absolutely everything. What I do know is that people with very similar lifestyles can be very different weights, but it only takes a really tiny amount of extras to gain weight and even less to maintain a new, higher weight.

The bod pod is probably the most accurate for determining bmr..

FabbyChic Hi, did you read my messages at . . .
Thu 25-Aug-11 08:20:30 & Thu 25-Aug-11 13:51:04

Wondered what you thought.

rightothatsmethen I think you need a more effective "after" photo . You look the same!

Who has an after photo? Missed that.

Custardo's on her blog (or I thought it was anyway). Genuinely not being rude (or not meaning to) but think needs another one for more impact.

Oh right. I had a quick look and it's probably because it's head shots only.

3 meals a day like people used to eat?

I go to a specialist eating disorders clinic every week, they wouldn't advise that. They say 6 meals a day like people used to eat. Breakfast, elvenses, lunch, tea, dinner and supper.

The weightloss plan that I intend to follow, when my mental health is a bit better (it is utterly crap at the moment, and I have had to up my antidepressant dosage) is Paul McKenna's 'I can make you thin', as it sounds like a very sensible and achievable way to live (rather than a diet).

In its simplest form, his programme involves eating only when you are hungry (so learning to be aware of your body's needs), eating what you want to eat; but eating slowly (putting down your knife and fork between each mouthful) and mindfully (ie not in front of the tv, where the risk is that you automatically eat the food without savouring it or being aware when you are full), and stopping when you have had enough. You are allowing the 'full' signals time to reach your brain, and relearning how to recognise them, so you don't overeat.

He says there are no 'bad' or 'forbidden' foods on his programme, though if I recall correctly he does advise against low-fat or processed food.

Not all do. You want to avoid constantly spking the blood sugar up and down and avoiding grazing all day so lots suggest 3 regular meals and no snacks but the more important issue is to eat good food. Some fat people have lost the feeling of ever being hungry.

Kladdkaka I'm guessing they don't actually mean "tea, dinner, supper" though, as they are all a main meal. Probably more "afternoon snack, dinner, evening snack"

WhoseGotMyEyebrows that's right, although they don't specifiy which has to be the main meal. They specify 3 meals a day of approx 500 cals, 2 snacks of approx 250 and 1 snack of a piece of fruit. As someone already pointed out, these should be no more than 3 hours apart.

That's the ideal, but they are forever telling me that the most important thing is to eat something at the specified time rather than to eat nothing. Skipping one of the 'meals' is worse than overeating at one.

Kladdkaka Is this for general healthy eating? I'm guessing it is as it adds up to 2000 calories so most people wouldn't lose weight on that. Sounds like sensible advice.

Oh, look, ffs, why do we have to keep debating this nonsense? Yes, obviously, if someone is put on a starvation diet, they will lose weight (not many people in Belsen were at the gym every day though, either- and can't bloody believe the need to Godwin a moronic fat-phobia thread, how offensive can you get?) However, why the fuck would people living in a society where lots of nice food is readily available want to starve themselves, and why the hell should they? Yes, some people are obese. Some people were also obese in the 1930s- I have family photographs to prove it. Yes, if they'd been starved, they probably wouldn't have been, but they clearly weren't eating McD's every day... Similarly, I am at the top end of 'normal' weight- I can get down lower than that by starving myself, but I can't be arsed. I am not regularly called 'fat' by anyone with a normal perspective on things, and my GP doesn't think I need to lose weight (though I don't, and never will, look like a model/actress). However, I have friends who eat FAR more healthily than I do who are obese. They might do less exercise than me, yes, but most of the exercise I do is tearing around after hyper kids. They definitely get their 5-a-day, whereas I often don't get round to it (though some of us with similar eating habits were recently pondering at a family event whether 5 a day had to be 5 different kinds of biscuit or whether 5 bourbons count- any answers appreciated). I'd be a complete moron to claim I was doing something better than them. I'm not, and I don't think being lighter is a virtue of any kind whatsoever. I also know people who are thinner than me who eat crisps every day and can't manage to walk up a hill (whereas my fat friends can).

WibblyBibble- I am sorry to say that you have got the 5-a-day thing a bit wrong - although as bourbon biscuits are made from wheat flour (clearly a vegetable) and chocolate (which comes from the cocoa bean - hello, a leguminous vegetable), they have to count as one of your five a day.

But you do need variety, I am afraid. Perhaps consider including a jaffa cake (that orange-y bit would count towards the fruit, surely) and perhaps a lemon yumyum - again, citrus fruit, flour and sugar (comes from either beet or cane - both obviously vegetables).

Add a bit of savoury taste with a burger - cows eat grass (which must be a vegetable) so beef is a vegetable-derivative and should count towards your five a day, and you have the bun (more wheat) and the ketchup - fruit, again.

Pleased to be able to help!!