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AIBU?

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... to think this couple are extracting the urine?

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PreviouslyonLost · 18/08/2011 15:55

I work mainly part-time, DH works off-shore. Two DC, no family nearby to help out but we manage. Our eldest DC is due to start Primary School and will only be in until noon for several weeks. To accommodate this I have used the majority of my annual leave or ensured that DH is home. Another couple who live locally and whose eldest DC will be starting school at the same time are now dropping heavy hints that we should help them out by collecting and looking after their child (This would be from noon until @5pm/or 3.30pm until @5pm when going in for full-days).

There has been no direct request (yet) but lots of 'it'll all work itself out' and 'we're all in the same boat' type comments Hmm. The DW of the couple has also commented to me that they could 'drop off their DC in the mornings' at another neighbour's house - a neighbour that otherwise they do not associate with or even speak to but who is a friend of mine.

The other couple are both Primary School teachers and have been off for the Summer Holidays (47 days) ...... so .... AIBU to think that the week before school term resumes in NOT the time to start thinking about childcare, far less make assumptions that other people should take up the slack?

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BranchingOut · 20/08/2011 23:07

THe problem is that you are sending them mixed messages.

THey come over and hover - your DH lets them in.
Your DH shows them stuff on Facebook.
They hang around in your living space.
You don't tell them to go - although your toddler needs to go to bed.

All of this is probably leading to this 'we're all just one big family, all in it together' idea, which is why they can take liberties.

AfternoonDelight · 20/08/2011 23:12

Am I the only one hoping that DW read more than the OP's DH let on, and that the DW will register here?

DorisIsAPinkDragon · 20/08/2011 23:34

No the only one AD (Cracking name Wink)

Would just be so bloody funny!

OP remember they are only doing what you are allowing redraw the boundaries it's long overdue.

DorisIsAPinkDragon · 20/08/2011 23:35

NOT

BodyofChristLegsofTinaTurner · 20/08/2011 23:47

Perhaps the DW is on here and has read this...and she'll show up!

Tbc...

Dun dun dun!

BirdOfPassage · 20/08/2011 23:59

Love that Tangerine thread.

McPie · 21/08/2011 00:05

Good luck OP!!! My two dont start school till next year but we only have 12 finishes untill september weekend (Scotland too). Stay strong

Blueberties · 21/08/2011 07:03

You need to strap on a pair and stop waiting for them to be sensitive, respectful, nice, understanding.

They aren't going to do any of those things ever, so you just need to tell them to get lost.

When they knock on your door today they don't cross the doorstep.Talk to the children - "Not today kids we're having a family day". Smile to the parents. "Family day today". Smile. Don't open the door further than your face. "See you soon".

That's it. Goodbye. So their face falls? So what.Ignore it. Your face fell last night and they ignored it. They ignore you completely and just think about themselves. So ignore them and just think about yourselves.

PreviouslyonLost · 21/08/2011 07:24

I was mid-post last night and MN site went off-line, lost (no pun intended) it all. I think I was telling Karmabeliever that I thought I loved her, maybe MN couldn't cope?

I will try and remember the gist of what I was writing at the time (and, please stop saying other DW did catch sight of AIBU and is now lurking on this thread, I'll have nightmares, seriously).

One thing that DH and I agreed on was that the couple appeared to be overly solicitious last night. The other DH did say 'oh, I know it's late' - oth, he also in conversation managed to say to DH yes, when you chucked us out earlier, referring to them appearing at the door and being told we were having dinner Confused. Can you see what we're dealing with here? (other DW pointed out to me in our brief conversation that she had 'only come up to get the DCs', implying her DH had plans to hang around here even after that!).

Duckdodgers I can/have/do say I'm/we're busy (I'm not TOTALLY gutless, and sometimes I am actually busy!), but as I replied in another post, it matters not a JOT. By the time the words are uttered other DH/DW's DC are already well into the garden/house/toys. Our house is a meeting point for lots of neighbours and their DC, who all very welcome because they do not extract the urine. The other DH/DW need US more than we need them, I am not wimping out of this because I'm a martyr and want shit people in my life to boost my self-esteem I promise!

If they had come right out with The Question I would have, with all your help, have said 'NO' ... easy peasy. TillyIpswitch is right when she says bluntness is the only language they'll understand. It's a form of passive-aggressiveness/bullying whichever way you look at it.

echt 'If they're smart, they'll actually have their tear-stained child with them', you get it and KNOW the type!

Branchingout 'THe problem is that you are sending them mixed messages' - I do see what you mean, however...

'THey come over and hover - your DH lets them in' - he didn't, other DH came into house via garden all by himself.

Your DH shows them stuff on Facebook - he didn't (My DH is not a fan of Feckbook), I was on laptop and other DH started dragging conversation round to 'school photographs'. He asked to see something. I showed him one picture.

'You don't tell them to go - although your toddler needs to go to bed' - I promise, if I said 'x+x are exhausted, shattered, going to bed now', I said it 10 times, all the time accompanied by aforementioned, usually angelic, toddler for effect. (echt, I can do tear-stained child too Wink. The other couple know when our DC go to bed (much earlier than theirs because we're not out at ridiculous times making other people uncomfortable Grin). We're not sitting down pandering to these people by chatting nicely, I am usually banging around saying 'I need to clean this kitchen, make dinner, HOOVER, and do these things...again, not a jot is taken heed of.

DH and I do not have these problems with anyone else in our lives I assure you. The ODH once told us that when a (now) mutually known couple had a new baby, the ODH took a bottle of fizz to their house one afternoon. He was most put out that the new father opened the door, took the bottle, said thank you, and instantly closed the door in his face. The ODH expected to be having some of that fizz I can tell you, preferably sitting with his backside on their sofa! DH and I actually thought (the way it was told to us by ODH) that's a bit rude of new father who is a very good friend of ODH! But we know now that friend already knew what we are currently experiencing. (I am not having another baby just to be able to get rid of these people btw...tho' maybe that would work).

Pishwife I'm off to look at that thread, thankyou.

I have a feeling that today's the day, and NO is still a complete sentence.

Thank you all Smile.

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TheDailyWail · 21/08/2011 07:32

Oh my word! Shock

Stay strong today!

PreviouslyonLost · 21/08/2011 07:33

Pishwife 'In Guess Culture, you avoid putting a request into words unless you're pretty sure the answer will be yes. A key skill is putting out delicate feelers. If you do this with enough subtlety, you won't even have to make the request directly; you'll get an offer'...yes, yes, and YES, but more INdelicate feelers in this case. Going to read whole thread now, it's fascinating. Cheers for link Smile.

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PreviouslyonLost · 21/08/2011 07:34

Oh, and Hello X (ODW) welcome to MN...the answer's No.

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MissBeehiving · 21/08/2011 07:47
Grin
redlac6 · 21/08/2011 08:25

Stay strong POL!

Bumperlicious · 21/08/2011 08:25

Am watching this thread with glee! I don't feel sorry for the couple at all. They have the option of the childminder, they have just chosen not to use it. Presumably the other child/ren are in childcare too?

PreviouslyonLost · 21/08/2011 08:42

Blueberties you couldn't be more right. Is my horrible discomfort actually caused by my not knowing how to make sense of their behaviour? I'm swaying between 'They must be aware of what they're doing' (therefore my annoyance is well placed) and 'They just LOVE our free food, booze, childminding capabilities company (and where do I get me one of those cosy arrangements, sounds GREAT?!) therefore leaving DH and I unable to respond in an effective manner?

Funnily enough, I'm one of life's 'askers', and happy to be told no. We all live in a small'ish community and respecting the social niceties as 'incomers' to an area means that I'm probably overly attuned to the feelings of others. Hopefully there's no-one on MN posting 'AIBU...to think this couple are gullible fuckwits?'. Because we all know the answer to that one don't we? Grin.

It is only the ODH/ODW combo that cause these feelings/. Hell, from their perspective I'D want us as friends! It's back to basics: We have something they need - well organised childcare, they know DH and I are friendly and accommodating, they assumed (for whatever reason) that they didn't have to bother worrying about what would happen when this day arrived because gullible fuckwits lovely neighbours would fall over themselves to help out. In ALL respects we actually are the perfect solution to their problem, and don't they know it.

But really who walks straight into a neighbours house and plants their arse in front of the laptop without saying at least 'would you mind if I have a look' at your tales of angst regarding us on AIBU eeek. Really, come ON!

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HattiFattner · 21/08/2011 08:51

i think you are going to need to gird your loins and actually have a serious conversation with them. Tell them that while you value their friendship, they need to understand that you and DH need time alone as a family and that their constant extended visits have become intrusive.

Be blunt and explain that as he works offshore, the time you spend together is limited and precious, and that they have to respect your family time and not keep popping in all the time - they need to take No as an answer!

Couched in terms of your relationship with your DH/family (instead of their intrusiveness) you can start taking back control of this relationship.

Of course this then sets the tone for when they ask you to be free babysitter.

fedupofnamechanging · 21/08/2011 09:33

Remember to keep the door locked, then your neighbour won't be able to just waltz into the house from the garden and park his arse for the duration.

Can you get a lockable gate for the garden, or secure it in some way as to make it less accessible? Open plan gardens provide no barrier to make people respect that they are in someone else's private space. Fencing and 6 ft high leylandaii (sp?) create both a physical and psychological, barrier.

I really do think the key is to keep them from having such open access to your house.

Remember, nerves of steel now POl. No one can make you give in, it's a question of overcoming your natural instinct to be helpful and nice and keep in the front of your mind that these people are shameless. They seem not to be totally oblivious to hints - they recognised yesterday that they weren't welcome and just didn't care, because it didn't suit them to care.

PreviouslyonLost · 21/08/2011 09:37

WillowFae I appreciate their difficulties with their unchangeable working hours I really do, I work 9-5 too! (and DH is often away for weeks on end with work). It's only with months of worry and stressing and planning about how we were going to manage our own childcare that means we are in a good (but still not perfect) position to cover it at the moment. But my OP was why have the other couple left it this late to do something about their childcare problem? I still believe that they have assumed from day 1 that they could get us to do it so no need for them to give it a second (or even first) thought!

I do not wish to have to ignore this couple and their DC outright (maybe I should, that could work, better than 'have another baby' idea!) Just angry that I feel so shit about the whole damn situation! Is their hinting and avoiding asking outright (so far) all part of the ploy.

Even if DH and I do manage to avoid being suckered into helping, what poor sod are they going to get to do their bidding? Grin. I'm being silly now, I know they don't have anyone else to ask (other than on an emergency only for today basis) and the alternative of actually having to pay out cold hard cash to make this problem disappear appears unthinkable to them.

I'm prepared, have dusted off my balls, bring on The Question.

(You're all pretty amazing, please come and be our neighbours...just no urine extracting okay? Smile.

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BranchingOut · 21/08/2011 09:51

I think the only solution is to actually have a row with them. :) Is there a topic upon which they are sensitive?

Or maybe move house.

Stay strong!

PreviouslyonLost · 21/08/2011 09:52

Karmabeliever in my lost post from last night, (where I was telling you I think I love you Grin) I'd added that part of the beauty of where we live is that we don't have to lock our doors (yes those places do still exist!) With active DCs I'd be locking/unlocking the damn things (we have multiple entrances/exits!) every minute! The 'psychological barrier' of the door/gate has occurred to me (goes to lock down EVERYTHING).

I accept that our welcoming attitude is at the heart of this all, but no-one else coming to our home poses such problems.

Balls looking good.

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clappyhands · 21/08/2011 09:53

can you do the "vacant" look - i have it perfected :)

need to follow it with a "laugh" when it is "explained" to you

and obviously a big fat "no"

feel the fear and keep strong :)

good luck

fanjobiscuit · 21/08/2011 09:58

Good luck for today POL. I do hope you make them squirm before delivering the small but perfectly formed no in dulcet tones.
I do wonder what their back up plan is though? Maybe they have several other families equally dreading the cheery hello as the DH strides through their back door.< muses on just how far down the social chain they would be prepared to go>

TheSkiingGardener · 21/08/2011 10:01

Where are you OP. COuld we organise an MN Bring-a-bottle party at your house today and have a sing-a-long when the neighbours are there.

"She said no-no-no"
"You're having a laugh"
"Neighbours, neighbours, please go home"

warthog · 21/08/2011 10:03

i think you have to be blunt to the point of rudeness with these people.

'please leave now because i'm putting the kids to bed / hoovering / sick of your ugly faces.'

'don't come tomorrow, we're looking forward to spending some time on our own and we want to be able to finish a whole bottle of wine all by ourselves.'

and turn up at theirs on sunday at 1pm, rubbing your tummies.

go to theirs this xmas eve at 7.30pm and look expectant. better yet, go on xmas morning at 9.30am and stay til 7pm.

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