I don't agree with the MN feminists. AIBU?

[jennyvstheworld]

I consider myself an active proponent of equality of opportunity and a stern critic of discrimination... and yet I find that I can't identify with many of the viewpoints I encounter on the MN feminism page (and often say so). AIBU?

Thanks AF.

And I agree that many posts on the FEM board are valid in general.

I just don't like the misandry ones.

But that's just an opinion and opinions make the boards interesting.

Claw, yay! I disagree with points made on there all the time - sometimes I wade in, sometimes I can't be arsed. Just like the rest of MN. Esp AIBU...

You can't defend her views Hagocrat......those views on that subjec were and are ridiculous.

But we can't give examples, the last time i joined in on one of these sorts of threads, I quoted a thread where Maryz and I had been at odds with a lot of the regular posters on the feminist boards, and was roundly chastised for it as being bad practice and unseemly.
So if we can't quote threads, then specific examples are going to be a bit tricky.

Well perhaps don't drum your fingers awaiting examples then.

That poster, funnily enough, is never around.....almost like she doesn't exist.

OG, in fact I don't remember posting on that thread, because I just didn't understand the mindset at all

Being serious, if I'd had the experiences that poster (and many others) have had I might not feel very well inclined towards men either.

LaBelleFrotheur, agreed completely! There's a lot on Feminism where I walk in, think "wtf is the OP on" and walk back out

frothedAfly

Labelle, exactly.

it's sixth form stuff in the main

frothedAfrother?

I was quite literally speechless AF it was an incredible statement.

The good posts from many posters there get ignored when radical baseless insinuations like that become large threads.

I'm applauding your opinion on that particular POV and that in turn will enable me to take your opinions a little more earnestly in future.

YABU jenny.

I can think of two specific examples (sorry, can't link as I am on my phone) where you have (deliberately?) mis-read and/or misinterpreted what a poster has written.

Looking at an issue from a different viewpoint is a great way to encourage debate, but saying "The answer is not 4 because 2+2=cauliflower" means that you will get told you are wrong, rather than debated with. Especially if you keep maintaining that the answer is cauliflower without explaining why, in your view, vegetables have anything to do with mathematics.

You do seem to be adequately literate, so when you simply tell posters that they are wrong in not accepting your vegetable viewpoint, without even trying to say why, they will become cross with you, and be left with the feeling that you are being deliberately disagreeable.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are not out to be deliberately awkward and disrupt feminist debates that other people find helpful, why not try taking a break from posting for a while, read lots, and try to take on board what it is that makes a good debating style. Doing your best to understand the opposing viewpoint is usually the first step to being able to pick holes in it. Why not concentrate on this for a while?

"Well perhaps don't drum your fingers awaiting examples then."

I wasn't.

And that poster is a regular on MN. But hey, you clearly don't give a fuck about dragging up her traumas. If you can't see what's wrong about that then I feel sorry for you.

Yup, that was the very thread so 'twas.

Maryz, that thread was upsetting, but the issue from me came from the way the media reported it, after a poster found an earlier article which referenced that the girl had claimed she never consented. THAT made me feel more like a rape apologist than the fact I disagreed with the posters saying all girls needed protecting from all boys. But was an upsetting thread in general. :(

So no, Maryz, it hasn't changed much.

SAF.

Hating ALL Men because of a personal experience isn't justified is it?

Without naming names or quoting threads this whole expedition into blameology doesn't work.

EQUALITY is where it's at and generalising will not bring about equality it will bring about division.

Rape is rape, but that was not what the Romeo and Juliet law was about. That was about consenting sex between teenagers, and therefore a different issue to the one specific case.