I don't agree with the MN feminists. AIBU?

[jennyvstheworld]

I consider myself an active proponent of equality of opportunity and a stern critic of discrimination... and yet I find that I can't identify with many of the viewpoints I encounter on the MN feminism page (and often say so). AIBU?

OG I can't see ayone saying that vaginal sex isn't normal. You are correct that it is the raison d'etre of sex by biological standards and obviously a relatively vital part of heterosexual relations. None of that is contradictory to the assertion that sex should not just be about this one piece.

No there isn't Puffin.

Blaming a man for doing what comes natural

So are you agreeing or disagreeing that there is an obsession with the male orgasm as sex?

Go look up the stats for teen porn viewing - I would but you might not find them reliable. Porn is based on the money shot. The women involved make all the right noises but rarely display the physical signs of arousal.

This thread has morphed from one thing to another throughout, if you bear in mind what the thread actually started off as!

Evenless, male orgasm is the goal if you are a male teenager. Although this does tend to change as the male teen matures. Perhaps it is a little bit more complex for teen girls and their expectations as teens, but again this tends to change as the teen mature.

I think asking teens to be more aware of each others needs and for them to speak up about them would be a good idea, but im not sure teens would have the confidence to do so.

Doing what comes naturally - sorry. Can't help myself.

And I just saw this:

Are you honestly suggesting that Women don't like penetrative sex?

Where did I say that? I said that the majority of women do not regularly achieve orgasm through vaginal penetration alone. I said that there should be more emphasis on mutual pleasure. I never said that women don't like penetrative sex.

Claw3 I agree with your last sentence entirely - and that's exactly what I thought SGM was saying about focusing less on penetrative sex being all what sex is about for teenagers (and would have the side-effect of less STIs and teen pregnancies as well). I just don't get where the accusations of feminists not wanting/having penetrative sex comes from on this thread. Is it deliberate obtuseness to stoke the fire or farcical for a laugh stuff?

I think that some of you are completely barking madconfused.

You're sat in your chaise lounges (Is that plural?) deciding what sex means to someone who you're not, namely Men.

Sex is natural and yes it's what the average person does.

Pssst, they even do it vaginally.

Over thinking it won't make you right it will just make you follow the path of disingenuous speculation.

Teach teens about safe sex.

But if you want to teach them HOW to have feely feely sex I believe you'd be guilty of a big invasion of their privacy.

It's soley OG.

BBQ there is a well documented thread on mumsnet about penetrative sex.

But when someone refers back to any thread to show it they get shouted down.

Because I don't agree with you it doesn't mean i'm "stoking a fire" that's a Feminist tactic used on the feminist board.

Claw, I think the way the thread has evolved has been very interesting - almost like a conversation in the real world.

Of course, I mistakenly said 'entertaining' earlier and had people jump up and done on my back for that; "Oh, we entertain you do we? Well, let me tell you... etc etc"

That was the impression i got too and that was what i was replying to! then all hell broke out and i wasnt sure if i had lost the plot i didnt see SGM original post and i was replying to StewieGriffin.

I think just about everyone on the thread has said they have no objections to penetrative sex now, so perhaps we can move on.

OG, I never spotted any "barking mad" people myself.

Jenny, yes it has been an interesting debate and hopefully ive learnt a thing or two. Being flamed for using the wrong word, adds to it

Oh I see OG and because there's a thread on the Feminist section about penetrative sex you are assuming all the posters on this thread subscribe to whatever the (many I'm sure) points of view on that thread. I didn't realise my views (and possibly others on here) were defined by threads I'd never even read, let alone posted on. Hmmmm. Your logic is certainly impenetrable.

I,personally, have restricted any comments to my teenage self. Haven't seen other threads....

I generally recline on my chaise longue. What's the point otherwise?

BBQ - a chaise longue is on my shopping list.

I didn't say ALL but you're generalising.

Again!!

I expected no less and don't hold it against you.

I don't have a chaise longue

Maybe like YOU are generalising OG?

You can get a nice one from John Lewis for £900 Chicken :)

No Yuo.

Settle down no need to get excited/agitated angry is there.

OG Apologies - who is on this thread subscribing to the PoV(s) on that other thread you want so desperately to drag into this thread then?