I don't agree with the MN feminists. AIBU?

[jennyvstheworld]

I consider myself an active proponent of equality of opportunity and a stern critic of discrimination... and yet I find that I can't identify with many of the viewpoints I encounter on the MN feminism page (and often say so). AIBU?

the mn feminist board is representative of those who post
isnt necessarily representative of women
this is of course true of all threads on mn
but i do think it is good there re lively and argumentative topics on mn

Just added the Equality Illusion to my Christmas List. DB can buy me that, and have a read afterwards (he's in need of feministing) Still trying to finish Living Dolls, but need to get a few essays out of the way first.

I didn't say that anyone was a homogenous group - in fact I've been trying to advance the argument that there are no homgenous groups in the face of 'all men are...' type arguments.

I don't agree with OG that there are 'men shouldn't have rights' threads, but I'm confused as to why some people are asking "what rights OG thinks men don't have?" when is clearly not what was in the post. Yes, Hagocrat, it is indeed a simple question, but that wasn't what was said so maybe that's why you aren't getting an answer. Just a thought...

I have to admit though that my whole attitude to porn has changed as a result of the feminist board. And I challenge others now if the topic ever comes up in conversation. I will say one thing for the feminist board (and prolific feminist posters) and that is that it is certainly informative and usually based on credible reliable sources.

I have, following a complete inability to disengage with a debate that angered me, hidden my first conversations.....liberating? Not half!

SAF, you should move. Scotland has a fab education system. You could even benefit from free prescriptions too.

yes-i agree SM.
id like to think im a woman though[it isnt repesentive of women]
what i dont get though is[and this has always made me scratch my head]-
the feminist women are often slated-yet theres worse in aibu.

[yet theres worse in aibu]
meaning-worse said-not worse women.

jen,i also am agreeing belittling any contrary response as what about the menz followed by a link to some rambling statistics to demonstrate male hegemony is a bit tiresome

scottishmummy feminism doesn't see women as a homogenous group. It recognises that women can have more differences than they have similarities and that it is hugely affected by factors such as soco-economic class.

However, if the one thing women do have in common is that when compared to men of their own socio-economic class they have less advantages and power.

For my part I am mystified why so many people dislike being given evidence to support an opinion. Isn't this a good thing? If it weren't for being able to back up claims with evidence we could all say whatever we like and debate would head off into the realms of surrealism.

I believe the moon is made of green cheese. AIBU? (PS No facts, statistics or other evidence is allowed in support of your arguments).

Sunshine, you sound knowledgeable about the stars and like (given your name) so I agree with your theory about the moon

agree sunshine,however on feminist board many do speak globally and in a all su sisters manner.as if we are homogeneous.and when disagreed with the retort is what about the men or Troll

so wholehearted agree feminism doesnt homogenise woemn,only misinterpretations of it seek to homogenise women

lets face it can find supporting research and papers to support anything
from ff causes knock knees and cognitive delay
to men and women drive differently

im not disputing use of literature per se but the quality,source,and authors of apaper(and their agenda,funding) need to be discussed too

just as i can go find literature to support 7/7 conspiracy.doent make it right though

Yes, I do indeed take issue with statements such as the moon is made of cheese when the 'evidence' used to support it is that 63% of astronauts enjoy Dairylea.

To clarify for those unable to read posts very well, I do not have a problem with statistics, I have a belief that just because a statistic is tenuously strung to a statement does not make that statement fact.

is that code?houses?glass?what

I think I mostly use statistics or papers or studies to disprove or cast doubt or show another possible interpretation of statistics already presented, as opposed to assert. I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of statistics because they do generally move the debate in the direction of he said/she said direction (statistic showdown) which can be tedious. But sometimes necessary depending on what is being asserted.

One that springs to mind is that old chestnut that comes up on every porn thread - men are just more visual creatures, hence their need for porn (thus elevating the use of porn to a fundamental human right) - there are studies out there that show that women are actually equally aroused by erotic images and also that they are more likely to be aroused by a wider variety of erotic images than men.

Thank you all my cheesy friends.

Well if we're talking about the quality of citations then feminists win hands down. In all the arguments I have witnessed/taken part in on here, I have noticed that the feminists are much better at providing methodologically sound, peer-reviewed research. And most citations come from reputable sources such as government depts or the ONS. I am not surprised by this because as a feminist experience has taught me that many people are so unwilling to believe what we say that we have to be able to back up what we're saying with good, sound evidence. Whereas anti-feminists can say things like "women regularly lie about rape" without any call whatsoever to back up their claims.

Absolutely Sunshine.

The statistics are so awful, that I had to read and re read and re-check them when I came across them. I simply didn't believe them, I thought they must be mistaken, or made up or something.

It would be so comforting if that were the case.