To think those who try to justify the Norwegian bomber are not even as bad as a racist just sick.

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Turned on the radio today, and can't believe how people are trying to put this on the Muslims and justify the crazy bomber.

And even suggesting we should listen to what he has to say, I just wonder why these same people were calling for us to listen to Osama after 9/11

Because by the same logic he might have had a message (god help us)

And I wonder if any of these net mums just have the balls to say I am a racist and what, because I have more respect for that person than someone who uses immigration as a fig leaf for their racism.

Just before we start if any one uses the term English please be clear whom you are talking about

Any one who is born here

Or any one who is white

Also the term immigrant means someone who is in the country legally and can't claim any benefits and who has to work

Asylum seeker is different

Just want to be clear

Oh shut up.....Who gives a shit about Brits living in Spain? They should speak Spanish.

Race issues? You speak of Muslims being from anywhere BUT the UK...I think you do have race issues. I think the make the assumption that Muslims must be "forrin".

lady - you always come up with the same lines whenever anyone dares to say anything even vaguely similar to what i have said. i am not stupid, i can see if people are muslim, it isn't hard and i have been living among a strong large muslim community for over ten years now. you are getting defensive just because you were born muslim/have muslim family and will argue the toss for the sake of it even if there is any truth in what someone has said. any minute now you will start calling me the usual 'racist and ignorant' of which i don't care, you can call me what you like it doesn't bother me, i will dare to say how i and others feel. call me what you want but i find it frustrating living among so many people who are so totally closed off from mixing, the atmosphere where i live has changed considerably and people feel shut out, why should they be happy about that. this is a nice area, in general we are nice enough people that i can't see why a whole community would choose not to want anything to do with us. i would love to have more close muslim friends (i have one although she is not practising and finds herself shut out too, another story). the people to whom i refer are practising muslims, traditional dress, i understand in part why they appear to not want to mix with us but why should i be happy about this when there are more muslims (practising) than english people where i live subsequently making me feel i am a stranger. you may think that muslims shouldn't have to mix with english people but that attitude sums it up and stinks tbh, but if they chose not to mix they can expect some people to not be thrilled about it. if i went to live in denmark i wouldn't feel settled until i had formed friendships with danish people, i wouldn't go and live in another country, hundreds of thousands of us, and not mix and at the same time be surprised if he locals got iffy about it

lady - your posts on this type of subject always make you come over as being somewhat racist towards your views of english people and their lifestyle. you always block english people into being mostly drinking tarts who wear short skirts blah blah blah. you seem to unintentionally confirm my view that muslims do not mix because they share the same views as you, that english people are inferior

Posie - YES I can draw pictures of whatever I want. Whether I want to offend people with my pictures is another matter. I don't believe in inciting hatred amongst people, and that is MY nature....so you can draw whatever you want, but it doesn't mean you have the freedom - it means you are a very very ignorant and callous person.

Paisley - Writing in paragraphs would be a really good idea. I live in a predominantly British White area, and NO ONE mixes here. None of our neighbours go around to others houses and have a natter across the fence. No one has time. So I have no idea why it would upset anyone that people don't mix. People have lives and jobs. It sounds like you're living in the 50's.

And actually back in the 70's and 80's when people DID have time, my parents used to be good friends with ALL our English neighbours, and I grew up with them all coming around our house, and us going around their's.

don't patronise me about the paragraphs, i am too tired to care or want to try and impress anyone, i hate that patronising way of talking to others, the openly academic MN's who always seem to get it in there somewhere, it is not of interest

"there are more muslims (practising) than english people where i live subsequently making me feel i am a stranger. you may think that muslims shouldn't have to mix with english people"

Paisely, find an argument and stick to it. You either have a problem with foreigners or Muslims. What about ENGLISH (British) WHITE MULISMS. Do you hate them quite so much or is it just the ones who are capable of speaking another language?

Do you get so angry with the Eastern European influx of immigrants too? Or are they ok, because despite English not being their first language, they dress how YOU feel comfortable?

it is not about going round to others houses, if it has to be spelled out exactly what i mean by 'mixing' then there is not point. it is about making eye contact once in a while when walking down the street, the odd smile or perhaps 'good morning' might be nice or the odd friendly community shared spirit, nothing major like having someone over for dinner but a shared sense of community and simple friendliness, i don't think that is too much to ask. it used to be very villagey where i live, people would chat/acknowledge people etc but it is not like that now. it is nice to live in an area where it feel friendly. the attitude of lady' always seems to come down to how basically crap she feels the english are and is rude the way she describes english people which i find quite insulting, the worrying thing is that i think her attitudes radiates the view of alot of the muslim community that does not mix and this is the reason why. not all english girls wear short skirts, get pissed and sleep around.

ThePosieParker - nervous no your right its just the brown people your worried about

If you had this issue with everyone then fair enough but nope you only give a shit that the muslims are doing what you want so basically its ok for white brits go abroad not learn the language, stay in little enclaves open up tacky bars and put their children in English schools and claim their benefits in the low session

paisleyII you keep saying English be clear about who you mean these Muslim people are English or do you mean white people

They are born here to they are just as English as you fool

lady - as usual you are creating something far worse than i have stated - you are using words like hate, i never said i hated anyone, i just stated that i wasn't happy with the fact that the muslim large community where i live live totally separate lives, i also said that i would love to have more muslim friends so don't give me that. i also never said i had a 'problem with foreigners' where did that come from?, again you are accusing me of saying something i didn't, same old thing

Posie you seem to think that extremist views are mainstream in Islam. I find it hugely offensive that you say that the main message of Christianity is kindness but Muslims hate most other people - this is simply not true of the vast majority of Muslims.
As recent events in Norway have shown people can interpret any religion in a way that condones violence but thankfully extremists in all religions are in the minority. The Norway bomber and Bin Laden are extremely alike. They both feared the influence of a different culture and the both thought that violence was the solution. Only when Islamic extremists commit atrocities it is the fault of the perpetrators (quite rightly) not the West as they would have you believe. But when Christian extremists commit atrocities it is the fault of Islam and not the perpetrator. Al quaeda speak for as many Muslims as the Oslo bomber speaks for Christians - ie very few. Islam/ Muslims are as much to blame for the atrocities in Norway as America was to blame for 9/11 - ie not at all.

Meant to add that I'm not surprised that some people on here have found Muslims to be reluctant to mix with them.

Paisely, I live in a little village, and people do not wave or say good morning to anyone. It's not the end of the world. I can survive without strangers falling over themselves to greet me. Perhaps you should just get over it. Times are changing.

they may have been born here but they do not mix or seem to want to be apart of the english culture, stop nit picking and trying to be clever, you know exactly what i mean

Paisely, please define English culture.

times are changing - my point entire, why should i be happy about it? i like to live in a friendly place as opposed to a transient place that feels cold and closed off. don't expect people to be happy about it or be surprised when they moan about it

Paisley - if i lived near you I wouldn't mix with you in a million years.

Paisley - how ridiculous. So now we're being blamed for not saying "hello".....Have you ever tried saying hello first instead of walking by quickly in fear and assuming they don't want to talk to you?

lady - i'm not going down that path with you, you always try and be clever and overpower and put down the person who has the opposing view, i have observed you doing that more times than i care to mention. you now exactly what i mean and i neither care enough or have the energy to explain myself. i am not trying to win or have the last say, i feel how i feel and know how it is living where i live on a daily basis. my view is shared by an awful lot of people who live where i live and not all of them are white english, i know of people from varying backgrounds who have all at some point commented on the large community who really do live separately and seem to give off a vibe of really not liking us as displayed by your open view to the average white english person, great

Not being part of English culture?

Can you please explain why there are so many Muslim councillors and MP's these days aswell? We're trying our best to intergrate, but we keep being accused of "taking over your country"......When we have been born here and pay taxes and have just as much right.

Paisley, how do you expect other cultures to embrace a British culture if no one can explain what it is? Is it reciting Shakespeare? Loving David Beckham? Saying tally ho? What is it that makes you British in terms of a cultural experience?

mr b - YES, this is my point, YES YES YES, i have made many attempts to be friendly to local muslim women ie school gates etc in the way i would anyone else but it really is closed off. the muslim women seem to stick completely to themselves and whilst i in part can't blame them as some of the white some are white trash types there are also alot of nice normal everyday type women. actually, i think it is sad

posieparker if "religion worries you daily" then why on earth are you sending your DCs to a Catholic school? Or any type of faith school??

Well if you come across to them like you did in your first post to me, then they probably find you patronising, and best they don't get to know you, because I don't think you're a very nice person either.