To think those who try to justify the Norwegian bomber are not even as bad as a racist just sick.

[maypole1]

Turned on the radio today, and can't believe how people are trying to put this on the Muslims and justify the crazy bomber.

And even suggesting we should listen to what he has to say, I just wonder why these same people were calling for us to listen to Osama after 9/11

Because by the same logic he might have had a message (god help us)

And I wonder if any of these net mums just have the balls to say I am a racist and what, because I have more respect for that person than someone who uses immigration as a fig leaf for their racism.

Just before we start if any one uses the term English please be clear whom you are talking about

Any one who is born here

Or any one who is white

Also the term immigrant means someone who is in the country legally and can't claim any benefits and who has to work

Asylum seeker is different

Just want to be clear

Bullshit, Maypole, YOU wrote the bit about being white = British, in your first post.
If you don't wish to be contradicted, be more careful about what you write, next time.

Sorry, English, not British, my indignation got the better of me there!

What statistics Lady?

Paisely, how do you know they are Muslims? Have you asked each and every one? I am referring to the men or children...or perhaps women who aren't white who aren't wearing a hijab, do you presume them to be something other than the blanket religion you have chosen to smother them in?

Further more, so what? So what if certain members of society don't integrate with others...I have seen some rather distasteful areas and if I lived there, I'd probably go out of my way to avoid my neighbours too.

How can a person born with the freedoms that are afforded to them dismiss them and choose something far more structured and less free?

How the hell do you know it is "less free"?? Please tell me!!! I wear hijab, and I wear English clothes, but my arms and legs are always covered, I studied, got my BSc, CHOSE my OWN husband, had a baby FROM MY OWN CHOICE, and now I am doing a part-time MSc, and I CHOOSE when I want to go and meet my friends and what to wear and what to do!!!! So tell me where the "less free" term comes into MY life?? And the life of other muslim women like me?

Like I said before, please carry on listening to the propaganda. You are completely ignorant. God help you.

Your statistics of "waves of Muslims coming into our country"...not integrating, not speekah thee English...where do I fit in?

Well,hello Lady...

About the 'covering' when a woman covers in Islamic dress she self identifies as Muslim, way before you see that woman you know her religion. When a woman wears a short skirt and a low cut top all you know about her is that she likes to wear little, you can make assumptions about lots of other things, but her clothing is not a message about who she is.

FFS. If you have a dress code, you are less free than me.

and what about the teenage lads who may or may not be Muslims who wear jeans and t shirts...or indeed the women. What do you assume about them?

Further more, what assumptions do you make about women in short skirts etc?

Jeez....that's not a statistic....it's a scenario.

And don't put emotive words like 'our country' to misrepresent me, it's underhand.

Not if the persons chooses to wear the dress!

You talk about religion and the problems it brings and then send your kids to a Catholic School?

"Nope I am fearful of a fast growing religion."

I'm pretty certain that Islam is not only one of the oldest religions, but has always been pretty widespread.

posie SO WHAT? So what if you can tell a muslim woman from afar? When you see a Jewish man wearing a kippah from afar you know he's Jewish, and when you see a Sikh man with a turban you know he is Sikh....what exactly is your point??

It's "our" country in the same way that I possess a red passport, just like you.

Lady....I see you speak English. Thing is I don't want to live like an Iranian, so I don't move to Iran. I think people should be allowed to enjoy and celebrate where they come from but also to embrace the country they live in and if they can't find somewhere else.

Another thing, completley off topic but regards to Muslims, I think that by forcing a woman to wear or not wear what she wants is a feminist issue. To make a law preventing a woman from wearing what she wants you are stripping her of her rights, I know very few Muslim people, I live in semi-rural Ireland, but the women I do know and have told me feel freer by covering up, its not oppressive to them, why should it bother you. If someone told me I couldn't wear something, I'd be livid.

Its funny she never talks about the waves of brits going to Spain living separate lives and after years of living in costa da he'll they can't speak a word

Or those who live in similar counties and do the same as what she claims the "immigrants "do here even though they are British

posieparker how does a dress code make me less free than you?? I have still managed to travel the world in my JOB - YES I WORK!!!! Amazing huh??

Ok, so tell what it is they should be doing to "embrace" the "British" way?

Holidays in Blackpool?
Yorkshire puddings on a Sunday?
Fish and chips on a Friday night?

Tell me what defines "your" culture that you seem so desperate for everyone else to embrace...from what I've seen of some, note, not all, aspects of British culture, I'm better off staying indoors and away from it.

Where did your grandparents, great grandparents come from?

I was born in Britain, my parents were born in Britain. My grandparents came from france, Spain, Ireland and Lithunia. So what does that make me and how should I "embrace" the UK?

Good point maypole.

It's not one of the oldest, not by a long shot.

Lady, I think you keep forgetting what you post which is why you keep picking apart mine. Please stop trying to make this a race issue, it is not. Please don't be disingenuous you put quote marks around something I had said, which I hadn't.

MrBloom.... I can draw pictures of whatever I want, can you? freedom And why is that women one day saying she wears it to be close to God and the next wearing nothing remotely Islamic?

Posie - your understanding of Islam is pretty dire. May I ask where you get your "understanding" from?