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to not understand when people don't have compassion for addicts

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badlydrawngirl · 23/07/2011 20:22

Hello. First post from a lurker.Smile

The untimely & tragic death today of Amy Winehouse has sparked the usual flurry of comments on messageboards, twitter etc from people saying they have no sympathy, no respect or compassion towards an addict. They're somehow seen as subhuman and/or abhorrent, and over-risingly, that they chose to be an addict, they chose to end up in that state.

I was an addict, it's such an awful state to be in I really thought at one point that suicide would be my only way out. I really really didn't chose to end up feeling like that, I didn't even notic it happening!! It was a slow slippery slope downwards (cliché I know, but so true) and before I even recognised what was happening to me, it was too late - I was well & truly in the depths of it.

After a few unsuccesful attempts to cut down/stop I started to get scared, realising only then the grip I was in. I changed, I was horrible, I was dirty and immoral and put my friends & family through hell - it's only a testament to them that they're still in my life today.

Then with that came the crippling guilt, the anxiety, the hopelessness, the suicidal thoughts. I couldnt live with what I had done to my loved ones. All the things I was doing went against the very core of my being, I hated myself.

Saying "well they could just stop" is kind of like addiction denial. If you recognise the fact that there's such a thing as addiction, then surely you must understand the nature of what that means?

I certainly feel very saddened at Amy's death, there but for the grace of god goes anyone of us, our friends, our family, our chidlren.

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ElectricSoftParade · 24/07/2011 19:34

Well, I do have empathy for addicts but also fear them/the idea I could, quite easily, become one.

I did smoke cannabis for a number of years but haven't since before I was pregnant. I did not have, as far as I know so far, any adverse effects and have had no problems at all in stopping smoking it. However, I was in a car accident and was very seriously injured and was in hospital for several weeks being given morphine as the main painkiller.

I can truely understand the appeal of heroin. I vaguely remember discussing with the surgeon the likelyhood of me waking from surgery without my leg. According to DH and my mother, I shrugged and said "Alright then" and smiled at everyone. I did not give a shit as I was cocooned by the morphine.

Happily I did wake with my both my legs still attached but during the very long six or so months following, I was completely housebound and I did think of trying to score heroin several times. I wanted to feel like I had in hospital. Warm and safe and that nothing mattered. Not my health, relationships, my job, my home, anything.

I do understand that if you have your own personal demons it can be a seductive drug. Fortunately, I did not score any heroin but that was because I was housebound and nobody I knew had access or the desire to get it for me.

I think I was very lucky. Not everyone is.

Blethermouse · 24/07/2011 19:35

and agree with IDrink.. my mother drank against advice for years.
She knew what she was doing and refused all help.
She got irreversible brain damage more than 15 years ago.

PlentyOfPubgardens · 24/07/2011 19:35

Don't know if this is on the right thread or not as there seem to be rather a lot of them on this theme today. My (rather random) comments are in response to a few overall gists I've got from skimming them all ...

I've had two very close friends who I've had to quietly lose touch with - one was addicted to heroin, the other had schizophrenia.

The friend who was addicted to drugs was a manipulative liar who used to steal from me. To this day, I believe those behaviours were her addiction, not her. Underneath, she was a creative, generous person with a lot to offer.

The friend who had schizophrenia was a paranoid liar who used to accuse me of all sorts of dreadful things and, on occasion was violent towards me. To this day, I believe those behaviours were her illness, not her. Underneath she was also a creative, generous person with a lot to offer.

One of them 'chose' to take illegal drugs, the other 'chose' not to take her prescribed drugs. I still have nothing but compassion for either of them. I hope they are well, wherever they are today. I'm sorry I couldn't cope with their problems better.

I have a lot of sympathy for those affected by the behaviour of someone close who has mental health or addiction problems. If it's family or friends it's really hard to set boundaries - sometimes you need to step away and let the professionals deal with it - they can set boundaries.

I think whether you class addiction as a mental illness or not is a matter of semantics. In the end it's just horribly self-destructive behaviour that nobody in their right mind would 'choose'.

I'm addicted to fags. There have been times I've lied and told people I've given up when I haven't. There has even been the odd occasion when I have stolen a cig or two off a friend or relative, rather than buy a whole pack and then have 20 to get through. I thank my lucky stars that fags are still legal and don't yet cost as much as heroin and that my frequent attempts at giving up don't leave me in a sweating shivering heap or endanger my life.

Can I assume that all those going on about choice have never touched a drop of alcohol?

LadyOfTheManor · 24/07/2011 19:36

Yes Cupcakes, let's hope so eh?

CupcakesandTwunting · 24/07/2011 19:39

Yep because the higher the pedestal you put youself on, the further you have to fall. And as it stands, you have a LONG drop, LOTM.

LadyOfTheManor · 24/07/2011 19:41

I'm not stupid enough to take drugs.

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2011 19:45

Not everyone who takes drugs is stupid Lady. Some of the worlds greatest thinkers have been drug users.

LadyOfTheManor · 24/07/2011 19:47

For me, personally, putting a poison in your body that can kill you, is stupidity.

ArthurPewty · 24/07/2011 19:49

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Blethermouse · 24/07/2011 19:54

OTOH we could applaud LOTM for having high standards for herself ?

ElectricSoftParade · 24/07/2011 19:56

High standards are grand but what about the future? Any of our children could dabble and then become addicted. ANY of our children.

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2011 19:56

We would be missing a lot of music, art and literature if no one ever took drugs. I am not saying they are a good thing, but there is a big difference between drug users and drug addicts. People choose to use drugs yes, like they chose to have a drink or play the lottery, but no one chooses to become an addict and not everyone who uses drugs does become an addict. It isn't helpful to say people who take drugs are stupid or deserve addiction.

TillyIpswitch · 24/07/2011 19:58

You're saying some pretty stupid things on here, so meh... I wouldn't be so sure....

hadagutsfull · 24/07/2011 20:02

catgirl It may not be helpful to say people who take drugs are stupid or deserve addiction, but those that choose to do so know they are running the risk of becoming addicted and therefore make a choice. Most people anyway. The person close to me - and the circle that he moved in - most definitely chose to take drugs, knowing the risks involved.

CupcakesandTwunting · 24/07/2011 20:04

YOU might not be "stupid" enough to take drugs, LOTM. Can you vouch for your children? Your friends? Your family? Can you guarantee that if your children leave home to go to university, that they won't take drugs? Can you know that if they ever hit a rough patch in life, such as being made redundant or suffering from MH issues, that drugs wouldn't offer them an escape? You don't know.

And it's not an intelligence issue, either. Don't fool yourself that because you are "intelligent" that you are immune to having an addictive personality or MH issues. Perosnally, I think that you are setting yourself up for a fall if you believe that only the stupid/badly brought up are prone to becoming drug addicts.

ElectricSoftParade · 24/07/2011 20:06

Agree with Cupcakes post.

begonyabampot · 24/07/2011 20:09

Lady

  • truly curious but do you ever fell grateful and lucky for the hand that you were dealt (I know I am when I look at other people lives)? Do you ever wonder what your life what have been like, what you would have been like under different circumstances?
LineRunner · 24/07/2011 20:11

PlentyOfPubGardens, interesting point about schizophrenics choosing not to take their drugs.

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2011 20:11

I agree hadagutsful, but people who sky dive know there is a risk they may be killed. If they are it is a tragedy, we don't say "well they knew the risks so the deserve it". People who drink socially know there is a risk they may become alcoholics. I agree that pre-addicition people do enjoy the alchohol or drugs they are consuming, but once addiction kicks in it is not enjoyment any longer.

Blethermouse · 24/07/2011 20:22

catgirl you are glamorising drug use and excusing it. Please stop it's not helpful.
Have you forgotten that Amy has died because of drugs

Blethermouse · 24/07/2011 20:23

How do any of you know LOTM's personal circumstances ?

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2011 20:23

I am not glamourising or excusing drug use, I am trying to make the point that it is different from drug addiction. I am trying to make that point in order to clarify that whilst taking drugs may be a choice, addicition is NOT a choice.

Also we do not actually know why Amy died yet (although I agree it would be surprising if it was anything else)

CupcakesandTwunting · 24/07/2011 20:26

"- truly curious but do you ever fell grateful and lucky for the hand that you were dealt (I know I am when I look at other people lives)? Do you ever wonder what your life what have been like, what you would have been like under different circumstances?"

I am going to be bold and say no, she doesn't. People like LOTM are smug rather than grateful. Usually people like this have had no experience of any kind of life outside their own little comfortable world, so feel no need to try and empathise or even understand why people might make the choices that they do. Everything is black and white; you don't do this, you should do that. No room for error, if you do make mistakes/bad choices, you're stupid...

ArthurPewty · 24/07/2011 20:28

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begonyabampot · 24/07/2011 20:33

Blether - I know more about LOTM than any other poster on Mn. She is very open about herself.