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to not understand when people don't have compassion for addicts

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badlydrawngirl · 23/07/2011 20:22

Hello. First post from a lurker.Smile

The untimely & tragic death today of Amy Winehouse has sparked the usual flurry of comments on messageboards, twitter etc from people saying they have no sympathy, no respect or compassion towards an addict. They're somehow seen as subhuman and/or abhorrent, and over-risingly, that they chose to be an addict, they chose to end up in that state.

I was an addict, it's such an awful state to be in I really thought at one point that suicide would be my only way out. I really really didn't chose to end up feeling like that, I didn't even notic it happening!! It was a slow slippery slope downwards (cliché I know, but so true) and before I even recognised what was happening to me, it was too late - I was well & truly in the depths of it.

After a few unsuccesful attempts to cut down/stop I started to get scared, realising only then the grip I was in. I changed, I was horrible, I was dirty and immoral and put my friends & family through hell - it's only a testament to them that they're still in my life today.

Then with that came the crippling guilt, the anxiety, the hopelessness, the suicidal thoughts. I couldnt live with what I had done to my loved ones. All the things I was doing went against the very core of my being, I hated myself.

Saying "well they could just stop" is kind of like addiction denial. If you recognise the fact that there's such a thing as addiction, then surely you must understand the nature of what that means?

I certainly feel very saddened at Amy's death, there but for the grace of god goes anyone of us, our friends, our family, our chidlren.

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ThePopsicleKat · 24/07/2011 16:21

I wholeheartedly agree, OP - my facebook feed is also predictably full of callous remarks (even glee!) at her death because 'she brought it all on herself'. Addiction is not as simple an issue as these people make out, and I don't think anybody 'chooses' an awful life (and death) that addiction often leads to. It's a slippery slope, which people may embark on for all sorts of reasons which aren't for other people who know nothing of their situation to judge.

I've never been into drugs but I do seem to have an addictive personality in other areas and a tendency towards self-destructive cycles. Lots of people are the same, and they deserve HELP, not scorn. I had this same argument with one of my 'friends' not long ago, whose argument was "nobody in this country has a bad enough quality of life to justify turning to drugs, unless they are just stupid". Which disgusts me more than I can put into words, really.

IDrinkFromTheirSkulls · 24/07/2011 16:53

My mum is an addict (alcohol). She can not drink. She has done it many times when she has absolutely needed to. I know she has her reasons to drink, but I have no sympathy for her anymore because her day to day reasons to not drink (namely looking after her children) were never enough to stop her. It will kill her one day and she doesn't care. I still pity her, but have no sympathy left.

However in the case of anyone else (who I don't know as well) I don't judge publicly. I have my opinions which I will discuss with dh but thats it.

Malificence · 24/07/2011 17:04

I'm firmly in the No sympathy camp, lots of people have terrible things happen to them , most of them cope as best they can without resorting to destroying themselves with drugs or alchohol.
What excuse do the addicts who haven't had awful childhoods use?

It's a choice, pure and simple.

khaliwali · 24/07/2011 17:05

No, I do not have compassion. I care about my family and my own safety. I think people who break the law and nick other people's stuff should be ashamed of themselves and preferably be locked up. That is not to say that society should do more to protect vulnerable people, especially kids in care who are kicked out at 16 but, no, I don't really give a shit.
That does not make me anti-women, a troll or a man, the standard MN response to anyone who dares to disagree with a liberal statement.

sickofsocalledexperts · 24/07/2011 17:21

Well done those of you in the "no compassion " camp! God forbid any of your children should ever encounter an illness such as addiction: they'll find precious little sympathy from mum.

CupcakesandTwunting · 24/07/2011 17:22

Amy Winehouse didn't have a bad childhood and presumably knew the risks. She still got hooked on skag, though. I bet her parents wondered where they had gone wrong.

So really, it could happen to my child or yours. Good upbringing isn't immunity against this. I hope that none of you need to post on here asking for advice on this in the future...

LineRunner · 24/07/2011 17:26

Thanks Cupcakes, my thoughts too. Good upbringing in no immunity against this. It's bloody terrifying.

The people that sell the drugs seem to be let off without a thought, though, dont they?

hadagutsfull · 24/07/2011 17:31

Having had first hand experience of someone very close to me becoming addicted to drugs - and eventually dying young from an accidental overdose - no, I don't have any compassion. I wouldn't wish it on anybody, and have every sympathy for anyone who has an addict in the family, but the pain and heartache that it causes, together with the lying, thieving, and general abuse, the sheer effort of living in that nightmare day in and day out, kind of turns the compassion off eventually. Doesn't remove the heartache though Sad

GeneralCustardsHardHat · 24/07/2011 17:35

My compassion is with the family of addicts.

My compassion is with those living in communities riddled with addicts and dealers.

My compassion is with addicts who die whilst desperately trying to get clean.

I have NO compassion for junkies who are actively enjoying their habit - of which there are many.

noir · 24/07/2011 17:48

lol @ the concept of an 'addict' enjoying their addiction, yeah they love sitting in dark, piss soaked squats injecting heroin in between their toes.

Through work, I have met many, many addicts (alcoholics, phet users, coke addicts, heroin addicts, crack user, people addicted to benzos and prescription drugs), cant say I've EVER met one who looked they they were having a good time or were happy with their situation.

working9while5 · 24/07/2011 17:50

It's a disease that robs people of their lives, but hey, judge away. They're enjoying it, after all.

I wouldn't trade places with an addict under any circumstances.

GeneralCustardsHardHat · 24/07/2011 17:54

Like I choose not to go near drugs clearly they chose to take them. I do not see why I should be compassionate toward a person who made horrendously poor life judgments which lead to them having a grossly negative impact on the people around them.

working9while5 · 24/07/2011 18:01

As it's so much easier to be smug.

My father is an alcoholic. He was also one of 8 kids beaten the crap out of by a violent father and was sexually abused by a priest. Horrendously poor life judgements, definitely. He really should have chosen better, just like wonderful you.

GeneralCustardsHardHat · 24/07/2011 18:04

Sorry but addicts come from all walks of life and I don't buy into this whole "aww poor hard done by things had a terrible upbringing" bull shit. Loads of people have horrendous upbringings and stay clean and vice versa.

Next.

LadyOfTheManor · 24/07/2011 18:06

General, I think you're just wondering about and copying and pasting my threads. That or reading my mind.

hadagutsfull · 24/07/2011 18:07

Some people become addicts because of the awful hand they've been dealt in life, but not all - some do choose to do drugs because they think it's exciting or whatever word you want to use. And yes, they are enjoying it then, and trying to make you (or others around them) feel that you're boring because you choose not to be off your skull like them. They try and make you feel the outsider, that everyone's doing it and there's something wrong with you because you're not.

So, like I said, all compassioned-out.

LadyOfTheManor · 24/07/2011 18:07

Yes working, not every addict has a "woe is me" tale to tell.

The majority of coke heads in the city had superb upbringings. Just because they aren't in a gutter when they consume their class As doesn't mean they're in a better position.

The plus side of having a legal addiction is the duty being paid to provide medical care in times of need.

GeneralCustardsHardHat · 24/07/2011 18:08

That or we're both just of the same mindset. Which is worrying. I wouldn't want anyone to be in my mind, it's a scary place to be!

Malificence · 24/07/2011 18:10

Yep , utterly horrendousand violent childhood/teenage years for me after losing my mum at 5, I've never even smoked a cigarette.
That's like saying all abused children go on to abuse, they don't, the figures are something like 1 in 8.
It's weakness, pure and simple.

slightlyunbalanced · 24/07/2011 18:21

And god forbid any of us are weak!! Shock

GeneralCustardsHardHat · 24/07/2011 18:28

People can be weak and still not turn to drugs.

There seems to be an aversion here to discussing this subject objectively and a lot of emotive language is being bandied around.

CupcakesandTwunting · 24/07/2011 18:35

Un-fucking-believable!

I can't get my head around what you're all bragging about; I had a shit childhood and didn't do drugs blah blah blah...

Childhood is just ONE factor in addiction. Don't get so smug! Could be your kid one day.

InFlames · 24/07/2011 18:47

Good point cupcakes - at least, god forbid, my DS would get a shred of empathy and compassion. A big kick up the backside and a one way ticket to rehab too, but care.

LadyOfTheManor · 24/07/2011 18:54

So what factors into it?

Private education?

Broken home?

Or are they ALL mentally ill and abused and need drugs to cope, because I know PLENTY of people who would object to that.

Don't tell me all junkies have horrific life stories to tell, some of them live the life of Riley.

catgirl1976 · 24/07/2011 18:57

I think it might be useful to acknowledge the difference between drug users and drug addicts. Using drugs is mainly a choice, becoming addicted isn't.