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to rather intensely dislike Harriet Harman?

646 replies

grovel · 20/07/2011 15:21

Naggy and bossy at the same time. And so tribal.

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HerBeX · 20/07/2011 22:53

Anyone who championed the idea that rapists should actually be brought to justice and that everyone else should stop making excuses for them, would be unpopular.

mauricetinkler · 20/07/2011 22:55

HerBeX - rape is one person's word against another's (in most cases). That is not being glib, it is just being truthful. Do you understand how hard it is to get a conviction for any crime in this country? And there is a reason for that. It is because we live in a democratic society where a man or woman is innocent until proven guilty.
Now, tell me, what is so hard to understand about that?

mauricetinkler · 20/07/2011 22:56

Can I ask you a question, HerBeX. Are you in favour of capital punishment?

pigletmania · 20/07/2011 22:58

YANBU she is god awful!

HerBeX · 20/07/2011 22:59

Is there a 6% conviction rate for burglary Maurice, with a 60-90% non-reporting rate because most victims figure there's no point putting themselves through the trauma of reporting, not being believed and having the police not taking them seriously?

I didn't realise that.

swallowedAfly · 20/07/2011 23:00

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HerBeX · 20/07/2011 23:01

You happy with the idea that the overwhelming majority of rapists get off, Maurice?

You happy with the idea that your daughter, your mother, your sister, your wife, has a 1 in 4 chance of being sexually assaulted or raped and practically no chance of justice?

That sit well with you?

StayFrosty · 20/07/2011 23:02

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mauricetinkler · 20/07/2011 23:04

Not happy at all HeBex. I just think there are better ways of going about altering this issue than what HH did/has done.

swallowedAfly · 20/07/2011 23:04

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HerBeX · 20/07/2011 23:05

So how would you go about it then Maurice?

What would you suggest should have been done about it, instead of what HH did?

swallowedAfly · 20/07/2011 23:06

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HerBeX · 20/07/2011 23:07

Well also, seeing as how DV heavily affects children and you would expect half of all children to be male, DV isn't just a female issue is it.

And you're quite right SaF, seeing as how most perpetrators of DV, rape and sexual assault are men, they are all men's issues.

latitude · 20/07/2011 23:08

I don't see why people say dv or rape are womens issues. Do men not have mothers/daughters/sisters/female friends that they wouldn't want to see raped or abused?

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mauricetinkler · 20/07/2011 23:11

we're moving away from the point here. HH is a knobber.

forkful · 20/07/2011 23:16

well mauricetinkler - you were the one who brought up rape - at least that was something to debate saying "HH is a knobber" does not.

lovecat · 20/07/2011 23:22

what a depressingly awful thread (and why? She's out of government, why post now about her?). And what a pisspoor level of 'argument' from the haters. SWC aside, non of the right-wingers on here have come across as anything other than misogynist eejits.

mauricetinkler · 20/07/2011 23:26

HH - a bell end.

EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 20/07/2011 23:27

To be fair the lot that have been posting here are not exactly the cream of the right wing crop. They are misogynist muppets.

LineRunner · 20/07/2011 23:29

HH is a significant figure in politics who has made an impact, rather than courted popularity.

latitude · 20/07/2011 23:34

I find this thread very strange, I'm no fan of HH, I think her and the Labour Party as a whole have made an enormous mess of the economy but instead of focussing on their obvious errors people have instead engaged in sexist discourse.

mauricetinkler · 20/07/2011 23:35

What's sexist about saying HH is a douchebag? No worse than saying Cameron is a cunt.

mauricetinkler · 20/07/2011 23:35

which he is btw

Lazydaisy55 · 21/07/2011 00:34

I heard her speak at a union conference in the late '80's. She was so disappointing, very weak views, and not well communicated. I dont think she has improved sinced