to rather intensely dislike Harriet Harman?

[grovel]

Naggy and bossy at the same time. And so tribal.

The "false allegations" of rape stand at around 6%. Are you really going to tell me that two women are going to falsely accuse him of rape? BS. We have a culture where we don't believe women who report rape. Which is why our rape conviction rates are so fucked up. Women get branded liars, amongst other things as soon as they come forward.

If the media is so pro-women when it comes to rape, how come rape allegations are always reported in inverted commas? e.g. teenager repoprts "rape" by footballer at party etc? you don;t see "householder reports "theft" of jewellery" or "man "mugged" for mobile phone", do you?
Because they are allegations?

DSK is accused of rape, by at least two women. THAT makes him a rapist... Unless you're going to tell me both women are lying?
Sorry but that is fucking ridiculous. Are you seriously telling me that all if two women accuse a man of rape, no trial is needed. Can you really not think of a situation where two women could collude to ruin a man's life, or blackmail him?

I have no idea whether DSK is guilty or not btw.

I imagine male on male, or female on male "rapes" get the same treatment.

Do you think branding innocent men rapists on a woman's say so is what we should be doing? What possible purpose could this serve? Rape allegations will stay with a man for the rest of their life whether they are guilty or not. It is not the same as accusing someone as theft or mugging.

If you brand all men rapists, then the term ceases to have any meaning and genuine rapists get off scot-free. Just like calling people Nazis because they vote Conservative or BNP or whatever.

The likelihood of that happening, TD?

6% of rape "allegations" are false. What are the odds of 2 women falsely accusing the same man? Really?

FFS.

6% of 6 = 0.36. There's a 0.36 chance that they're lying. But nope. Let's believe him. Because they're women. They're obviously lying...

We don't 'brand innocent men rapists on a woman's say so'. We may take them to court if a woman presses charges, is that what you mean?

A man is more likely to be lying about not raping the woman who is accusing him of raping her.

How many times do we have to point this out. Less than 6% of rape claims are false.

We don't 'brand innocent men rapists on a woman's say so'. We may take them to court if a woman presses charges, is that what you mean?
A poster just said "DSK is accused of rape, by at least two women. THAT makes him a rapist... "

No trial needed, apparently.

Less than 6% of rape claims are false.
There is no way on earth that anyone can know this.

Like I pointed out. 0.36% chance that both women are lying.

99.64% DSK is lying...

Yep. In my eyes, he's a rapist.

I'm believing the viictims.

Peanuts said that and I'm not commenting on it because I'm not quite sure how it was meant. But you do understand that the way the justice system works is not that men just get sent to prison willy-nilly for rapes they didn't do, right?

Why would anyone be so keen to bang on about rape not happening, more so than they were to try to ensure it doesn't and convict the people who do it?

You don't stop rape happening OR help to convict the people who do it by coming out with statements like "if two women accuse a man or rape, he's obviously guilty"

Can you really not comprehend of a situation where two women could collude to ruin a man's life?

Can you really not comprehend a situation where a man would rape two women? Why the FUCK, when you hear a woman say she's been raped, would your first response be 'poor bloke, bet it's a conspiracy'?

There's quite a lot of work gone into examining false allegations of all crime. Rape has received particular attention - possibly because people like you would rather accuse women of lying than question why rape is so acceptable in our society (conviction is also 6% - compared to 34% for all other violent crimes).

6% false allegations is pretty well established and accepted.Many other crimes have false allegation rates up to 10%

OK. You know what happens when you report a rape?

Firstly, you get questioned by the police. They have to believe you.

Then you get examined. Cross examined. Is there enough evidence?

Then you have the stigma attatched of being a liar, having "asked for it", being a homewrecker.

Then you have your personal life trawled through by the defence in order to prove that your sex life means you're lying.

You get to court. You have everything relived. Everything. You get your reputation tarnished. And you're the victim.

Why would any woman in her right mind lie to go through that, just to see a man get imprisoned (happens in 58% of rape trials that hit the courts) just for a few years?

I can comprehend both situations, which is why we have courts and trials, and don't just throw people in prison because 2 people accuse them of something. That sounds like the law of some middle-eastern country or something.

Also, most rapists are REPEAT rapists. So yeah. Pretty likely that if he raped one woman, then he's raped the other.

No, we don't, so why not stop pretending we do? don't's view that he probably is a rapist is her opinion, she's not a judge or a defence counsel, she's allowed to think it. It's not going to get him thrown in prison, you know!

"Why would any woman in her right mind lie to go through that, just to see a man get imprisoned (happens in 58% of rape trials that hit the courts) just for a few years?"
I have no idea why. Some women just have a malicious attitude towards men.

Are you going to deny that it has ever happened?

How do you suppose that we should prove innocence or guilt in rape cases? Make the man guilty until proven innocent?

Why would women lie about rape when it involves invasive medical examination, complete dissection of your life in the public gaze and often a complete character assassination - for a 6% chance of getting a conviction.