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How much should grandparents help?

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Daws100 · 20/07/2011 13:32

Hi,

Apologies in advance, this is quite a long one!
My girlfriend and I have been ?discussing? how much help we should get from grandparents (mainly my mum) in helping with babysitting. We have an amazing 19 month old daughter.
My girlfriend works two 12 hour days a week but is on a rota shift so only finds out what days she?s working for the month approx 4 weeks beforehand. Our daughter goes to a childminder for those 2 days til 5pm. At this point we have to rely on grandparents to pick our daughter up and take her home for her dinner until I get in from work at 6.30pm (I have to leave work early to make this time so no chance of leaving even earlier).

My girlfriends mum still works (locally to where we live) and is able to leave work a bit early to pick our daughter up for one day of the week, which is a massive help. She is normally available 99% of the time to do this and although doesn?t normally have many other things on in the evenings, would if needed, drop what she has planned to help out. Her mum lives a 5 minute drive from ours.
My mum is retired and also helps out a fair bit but tends to have a busy social life a lot of the evenings and days. Ideally we?d like my mum to be able to pick up my daughter the other day of the week. If my mum has say a month?s notice of days we ask her to babysit (before her calendar gets filled up with social things) and she is free on those days, then she happily does so and loves doing so. However, if she has social things already booked, then she won?t ever cancel or rearrange to pick up our daughter, unless it were to be a big emergency. So with say a month?s notice my mum is available about 80% of the time. If it?s say 2 weeks or under she?s probably available 40% - 50% of the time as by that time she normally has other things booked in her diary. My mum lives a 30 minute drive from our house.
I think one reason my mum puts so much importance on keeping a good social circle is my dad is potentially quite ill and so has it hanging over her head worrying that he might not be around for many years to come and so makes a lot of effort to see friends a lot of the time so she is not lonely if anything happens to my dad.

When my girlfriend thought about going back to work after having our daughter, I have to admit my mum insisted she?d like to help with babysitting where possible. At this time I don?t think my mum or I realised the days my girlfriend would be working would not be fixed and could change all the time, therefore making it a lot harder to plan babysitting around. But for any fixed days, this is mostly fine ? for example, when a 12 week course came up that my girlfriend wished to attend fixed to Friday?s every week, my mum could then plan for that, putting all those dates in her diary and successfully babysat for us for all days (apart from one where she was on holiday) so my girlfriend could attend her course.
My girlfriends also not a big fan of my mum for other reasons like my parents just bought my daughter one fairly small present for her 1st Christmas and birthday and then gave us a cheque each time to put in my daughters saving account, which my girlfriend thought didn?t require much thought from them. I also was a bit disappointed by this, but not as much as my girlfriend. Whereas my girlfriends parents bought our daughter lots and lots of presents for Christmas and her 1st birthday and really spoilt her. My parents also didn?t get us a card to say congratulations when my daughter was born either which annoyed my girlfriend. There have been a few other things like this, but those are probably the main kind of things. These things, together with the babysitting infuriates my girlfriend and she now pretty much hates my mum and I hear a lot of pretty harsh things said about my mum by her.

So, my girlfriends argument is that because my mum said she?d really like to help out, she thinks my mum should be available to pick up our daughter at least one day a week, any day of the week, depending on what days she is working that week (as after all, this is what her mum does without any problems). Because of my girlfriends work rota constantly changing, that day could be any day of the week (although mostly Monday ? Thursday). Most of the time my mum might have about 4 weeks notice, but on the odd occasion extra shifts come up at late notice for my girlfriend (within say a week) then she?ll also expect my mum to be able to be able to drop any plans she has and babysit our daughter then too. If it turns out my mum already has something arranged to see some friends, my mum says she can?t do it and sometimes won?t even just alter her plans by half hour or so to help as she doesn?t want to mess her friends about. My girlfriend gets extremely annoyed that my mum is not prepared to ever rearrange or cancel meeting friends so that she can pick up our daughter. She thinks she puts more importance on seeing her friends than helping us out. It?s kind of like a first come first served scenario with my mum and her time. My girlfriend thinks my mum is a bad grandmother and that she?s not being unreasonable at all in expecting this from my mum and that this is something that all other grandmothers would do (and do do when she compares us against people she knows with children).

My thoughts are that yes, my mum did say she?d like to help out a lot, but I think that has to be within reason with what?s being asked of her. We shouldn?t just ?expect? or take for granted that our grandparents should be able help at the drop of a hat and rearrange their lives around us and the working lives we?ve chosen to live. I consider it a big favour that they choose to help us out as much as they do and that given the unpredictable rota?s that my girlfriend?s work demands, that we do pretty good by both our grandparents. Although my mother isn?t available all the time (and is not as reliable and doesn?t do as much my girlfriends mother), the babysitting my mother?s already done and continues to do has saved us a lot of money and effort, which I?m very grateful for. I also think my girlfriend should perhaps be more grateful and is not being very realistic and reasonable in what she is expecting from my mum. At the same time, I can see perhaps why it annoys her when her mother is fantastic and helps all the time but sometimes my mother is too busy seeing her friends to help out, as this does get to me sometimes too. I think it probably also annoys my girlfriend that although I do sometimes agree with her and some things my mum does, that more so than not I?m more sticking up for my mum.
My girlfriends a great mother and girlfriend, but I think she may be expecting a little too much and shouldn?t be so harsh on my mum with what she says about her.

So bottom line is, should my mum be helping more and be more flexible in rearranging/cancelling things with her friends to help us out more? Or should my girlfriend maybe cut her a bit of slack and is perhaps expecting a bit too much?
We seem to be going round in circles on this and have reached a stale mate. Any thoughts would be much appreciated!!

Many thanks in advance for any replies.

Many thanks!

D

OP posts:
Journey · 20/07/2011 17:14

There is far too much information to read in the original post so going purely by the title grandparents don't need to help at all.

You only have one child to sort out and as such I think it is perfectly feasible to arrange your own childminding without your parents or in-laws help. To be blunt your girlfriend sounds rather spoilt. It is all about what suits her not your mother. She needs to wake up and realise that your mother's life doesn't revolve around your baby. The baby is you and your girlfriend's responsibility.

OpinionatedPlusSprogs · 20/07/2011 17:20

You girlfriend is very spoilt. She has two grandparents helping out on a regular basis. She should be grateful because that's a damn sight more support than many women get. Families should support each other but you can't expect grandparents to be responsible for all the childcare.

She is being totally unreasonable about the presents too. Her attitude stinks.

angrywoman · 20/07/2011 17:22

Your gf is being unreasonable IMHO. Different families and different people have different expectations! I have found to my cost that too much gparent participation can be a very bad thing!
AND I hate that mentality where people expect certain 'traditions' like card / present giving to be automatically adhered to by everyone else, to a certain standard/ extent even. That is pathetic!
Underlying this is perhaps a tense relationship between your gf and mother. Don't be drawn into taking sides.

skybluepearl · 20/07/2011 17:31

your mum has her own life and is very willing to help out. she just needs notice - a reasonable thing to ask. your girlfriend is being very unreasonable in demending MIL drops everything with next to no notice. she should be glad MIL has social life/good friends as she will need them with her husbands situation. does girlfriends mother actually have a balanced life socially? is she very isolated? to be able to drop your own responsibilities at a mins notice to help with babysitting is slightly worrying.

i plan ahead too and it means that less organised people do loose out. it also means i have one rude and demanding relative - they must think they are so much more important than everyone else - a huge sence of entitlement. very rude.

your girlfriend should look into getting a job with specific set days or ask her work for this. why can't she arrange to be more organised?

alternitivly look for a flexible mum-childminder with a toddler and who only wants one other child.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 20/07/2011 17:46

I was thinking about this the other day.
We have never had any help with the DCs from any family members. Even when DD was sick and OH had to cope with the boys on his own (OH has MS so quite hard going for him).

I always found these sort of threads really odd, like people lived on another planet or something.

DS1 and his gf helped out a bit one day and it struck me that if you were used to that sort of thing all the time you would be really pissed off if it stopped and you would probably think it was normal.
Not being very clear sorry but I suppose what I mean is you dont miss what you have never had but you can very quickly get used to and feel entitled to something that happens regularly.

It felt amazing having that little bit of help the other day. Its made me feel a bit Envy of people who get loads of family help now.

Back to the OP - gf is bvvvvvvu.

whitewave · 20/07/2011 17:49

When our first grandchild was born - it was obvious that my daughter intended to return to work. We were coming up to retirement, and have spent the past 30'odd years looking after our children/adult offspring. Our time is now, and although we absolutely adore our grandchildren, (we are taking them to Cornwall on Saturday for a week), we made it clear that we were willing to fill in emergencies i.e. illness inset days etc, and any school holidays that can't be covered but we are not necessarily available at any other time. Everyone knows where they are and it appears to work very well

Pandemoniaa · 20/07/2011 17:56

I'm a grandmother who isn't in her dotage and who works as well as having a busy social life which also includes performing at paid gigs. I realise that the topic isn't about me but perhaps I could offer a spot of advice based on how I see the situation.

First off, I love babysitting my dgd - I'm moving soon and an added bonus will be that I shall be within easy walking distance and able to babysit without too many advance arrangements being necessary. I also get on very well with my lovely DIL.

But here's the thing, neither my ds or dil think that my life must revolve around their childcare needs. They know that both grandmothers are very willing to help with the dgrandbaba but they also realise that we cannot put our lives on hold ready to answer every call. So yes, we'll always do our best to babysit when needed but ds and ddil never assume that we can drop everything else in our lives. Because they are so thoughtful, we actually like to be very accommodating and will, if possible, sometimes rearrange things in order to babysit. We won't, however, drop whatever we are doing on the basis that, as grandmothers, it is our duty to do so.

Now if my ddil already disliked me and then added to her dislike a sense of entitlement, I'd be fairly surprised to be asked for favours, let alone to book up my diary with childcare commitments. For sure, there's no way I'd make myself available on command!

So I'm sorry, OP. But your GF sounds as if she is immature as well as selfish and spoilt. If she wants the co-operation of your mother - who, with respect, sounds as if she's doing far more than I would faced with the attitude of your GF - then she needs to grow up a little and face reality. Nobody's mother has to help with childcare, let alone do so in an atmosphere of hostility.

saladsandwich · 20/07/2011 18:03

op - i feel sorry for your mum, i wish ds had a grandma who was willing to help even a tad, i've needed to go to hospital before for an abscess draining and because ds's grandma wouldn't watch him my aunt who is ill had to come and look after ds because she was the only one would do it.

the way your gf is carrying on there will come a time that your mum may say enough is enough x

MissBeehiving · 20/07/2011 18:29

I nearly peed my pants with laughter when I read thinNigella's posts Grin

GF is bvvvu.

Salmotrutta · 20/07/2011 18:53

Grin - at MissBeehiving - that's why I thought it was a wind-up post initially!

I think it was the Tesco Value sweet and sour sauce bit - clearly her mum should never be let near a child Hmm Grin

But I did feel annoyed on her parents' behalf!

LoveBeingAbleToNamechange · 20/07/2011 19:00

I've not read all the replies but only because I know what they will be saying. And I agree your gf needs to understand how lucky she is us what are you two doing to supper your mum and dad?

aquashiv · 20/07/2011 19:01

YABU There shouldn't be an expectation at all. Grow up!

MissBeehiving · 20/07/2011 19:05

Salmotrutta - how sharper than the serpent's tooth to have a thankless child Wink

smallpotato · 20/07/2011 19:09

Put DD in a private nursery rather than a childminder, then you can pick her up yourself at 6.30. Problem solved!

smallpotato · 20/07/2011 19:09

Put DD in a private nursery rather than a childminder, then you can pick her up yourself at 6.30. Problem solved!

whackamole · 20/07/2011 19:17

IMO grandparents should 'help out' as much or as little as they want.

FYI, I live 200 miles away from my parents and they both work, so even if they were close I would never expect them to rearrange their lives to make mine easier! I am an adult and had kids - I should expect to provide for them in all circumstances. My partner's mum is dead, his stepmum is great but also works, and his dad is a knob who hasn't contacted us since Xmas.

YANBU but your girlfriend is. Very. And also she sounds quite grasping with regards to presents. One year olds do not need or want lots and lots of presents - and if she is spoilt by one GP why does the other have to follow suit?

libelulle · 20/07/2011 19:20

I think there are obligations attached to being a grandparent. They involve maintaining a relationship with their grandchildren, and dropping everything to help in cases of dire emergency- serious illness etc. When I had my son very prematurely, my parents came back immediately from holiday to help look after my dd. I was hugely grateful, but also would have expected nothing less; in equally dire circumstances I'd have done the same for them. In less serious circumstances, eg a Sahm having flu, it is still part of reciprocal family obligations to help out if possible, if they are able without undue inconvenience.

But expecting them to arrange their lives so they are at your beck and call, providing on tap child care? That is completely ridiculous and your gf sounds hugely spoilt and overentitled. She seriously objected to your parents giving acheque for your son's birthday? Amazing. I feel very sorry for your dm and sincerely hope I never have a dil like that!

superjobee · 20/07/2011 19:26

my OHs mum and dad have babysat DD ever since she was 6 weeks old, overnight at least once a week have minded her for a couple of days when ive had work training, have taken her caravanning for a week, have saved us a fortune in nursery fees when i was working as they babysat anywhere anytime for as long as necessary, have only ever let us down for babysitting duties 3 times in 6 and a half years whilst working 4 jobs between them. i know we are bloody lucky thats why we are thinking of moving back beside them when DC2 arrives .. Grin thankfully they are always glad to help out, love spending time with their DGC and have never once moaned about it and in fact love bragging off to their friends how often they get to see their DGC compared to others Blush they even have a nursery ready for us moving Grin granny loves her grandbabies even after having 5 kids of her own!!

Marjoriew · 20/07/2011 19:33

I have 15 grandchildren. I help out in emergencies for the babies. The only time I babysit on a regular basis is for one of my son's and daughter-in-law who are the armed forces and if they have to go away on exercises, Afghan etc, I will pack myself and grandson [12] who lives with me and is home educated by me, and go and stay there with their 2 year old little lad.
I'm 63 and I have legal responsibility for my 12 year old grandson.
the older grandchildren come around to use the laptops/resources for projects, but I don't babysit them as such.

clippityclop · 20/07/2011 19:34

Good Lord. You should've thought all this through before deciding to have a baby! Girlfriend sounds like a deeply unpleasant piece of work.

pinkyredrose · 20/07/2011 19:37

OP your girlfriend doesn't sound like a very pleasant person. From what you say she sounds grasping, incredibly ungrateful, self centered, immature, completely selfish and with an over-inflated sense of entitlement. As to the not liking your mother because the presents aren't good enough? Words fail me. But she still think's she's good enough for free childcare?

I'm guessing she was a spoilt only child, or at least the only girl in the family and used to getting her own way.

Pay a childminder and let your mother live her life as she sees fit. Jeez!!

pinkyredrose · 20/07/2011 19:39

Also I hope your daughter won't be brought up to think the world revolves around her like her mother does.

EssentialFattyAcid · 20/07/2011 19:43

Your girlf is being unreasonable here. It may be that if she chose a job with regular hours your mum would help her more - but really, it is for the parents to arrange paid childcare and if any gps can commit to providing chidlcare then this should be viewed as a bonus. Remember also "there is no free lunch" and if you receive help from your parents you are probably going to pay it back in kind either now or when your parents are older.

It can feel rejecting if parents help out less that you thought that they would want to, but its not helpful to view the situation in this way.

EssentialFattyAcid · 20/07/2011 19:44

pinkyredrose as the mother of an only child I find your analysis to be an offensive and inaccurate stereotype

wordfactory · 20/07/2011 19:59

In the small northern mining town where I'm from grandparents offering child care is a very common sight. Wages are low and if families want to be able to pay their way both parents need to work and childcare is prohibitively expensive.
This is even more so if the mum is a single parent.

Many people in the older generation have had it hard and would do absolutely anything to see their kids have it better.

GPs see it as part of what they're about to help out. If I still lived there I have no doubt that my Mum would offer.

However, in the middel class bubble I now live in, GPs have huge pensions and want to spend their retirement golfing and cruising. It's fine. They can and should do as they please, of course. But I can't help finding the families here very fractured iyswim. GPs have absolutley no intentions of putting themselves out and children have absolutely no intentions of helping when they become too old to manage.