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How much should grandparents help?

172 replies

Daws100 · 20/07/2011 13:32

Hi,

Apologies in advance, this is quite a long one!
My girlfriend and I have been ?discussing? how much help we should get from grandparents (mainly my mum) in helping with babysitting. We have an amazing 19 month old daughter.
My girlfriend works two 12 hour days a week but is on a rota shift so only finds out what days she?s working for the month approx 4 weeks beforehand. Our daughter goes to a childminder for those 2 days til 5pm. At this point we have to rely on grandparents to pick our daughter up and take her home for her dinner until I get in from work at 6.30pm (I have to leave work early to make this time so no chance of leaving even earlier).

My girlfriends mum still works (locally to where we live) and is able to leave work a bit early to pick our daughter up for one day of the week, which is a massive help. She is normally available 99% of the time to do this and although doesn?t normally have many other things on in the evenings, would if needed, drop what she has planned to help out. Her mum lives a 5 minute drive from ours.
My mum is retired and also helps out a fair bit but tends to have a busy social life a lot of the evenings and days. Ideally we?d like my mum to be able to pick up my daughter the other day of the week. If my mum has say a month?s notice of days we ask her to babysit (before her calendar gets filled up with social things) and she is free on those days, then she happily does so and loves doing so. However, if she has social things already booked, then she won?t ever cancel or rearrange to pick up our daughter, unless it were to be a big emergency. So with say a month?s notice my mum is available about 80% of the time. If it?s say 2 weeks or under she?s probably available 40% - 50% of the time as by that time she normally has other things booked in her diary. My mum lives a 30 minute drive from our house.
I think one reason my mum puts so much importance on keeping a good social circle is my dad is potentially quite ill and so has it hanging over her head worrying that he might not be around for many years to come and so makes a lot of effort to see friends a lot of the time so she is not lonely if anything happens to my dad.

When my girlfriend thought about going back to work after having our daughter, I have to admit my mum insisted she?d like to help with babysitting where possible. At this time I don?t think my mum or I realised the days my girlfriend would be working would not be fixed and could change all the time, therefore making it a lot harder to plan babysitting around. But for any fixed days, this is mostly fine ? for example, when a 12 week course came up that my girlfriend wished to attend fixed to Friday?s every week, my mum could then plan for that, putting all those dates in her diary and successfully babysat for us for all days (apart from one where she was on holiday) so my girlfriend could attend her course.
My girlfriends also not a big fan of my mum for other reasons like my parents just bought my daughter one fairly small present for her 1st Christmas and birthday and then gave us a cheque each time to put in my daughters saving account, which my girlfriend thought didn?t require much thought from them. I also was a bit disappointed by this, but not as much as my girlfriend. Whereas my girlfriends parents bought our daughter lots and lots of presents for Christmas and her 1st birthday and really spoilt her. My parents also didn?t get us a card to say congratulations when my daughter was born either which annoyed my girlfriend. There have been a few other things like this, but those are probably the main kind of things. These things, together with the babysitting infuriates my girlfriend and she now pretty much hates my mum and I hear a lot of pretty harsh things said about my mum by her.

So, my girlfriends argument is that because my mum said she?d really like to help out, she thinks my mum should be available to pick up our daughter at least one day a week, any day of the week, depending on what days she is working that week (as after all, this is what her mum does without any problems). Because of my girlfriends work rota constantly changing, that day could be any day of the week (although mostly Monday ? Thursday). Most of the time my mum might have about 4 weeks notice, but on the odd occasion extra shifts come up at late notice for my girlfriend (within say a week) then she?ll also expect my mum to be able to be able to drop any plans she has and babysit our daughter then too. If it turns out my mum already has something arranged to see some friends, my mum says she can?t do it and sometimes won?t even just alter her plans by half hour or so to help as she doesn?t want to mess her friends about. My girlfriend gets extremely annoyed that my mum is not prepared to ever rearrange or cancel meeting friends so that she can pick up our daughter. She thinks she puts more importance on seeing her friends than helping us out. It?s kind of like a first come first served scenario with my mum and her time. My girlfriend thinks my mum is a bad grandmother and that she?s not being unreasonable at all in expecting this from my mum and that this is something that all other grandmothers would do (and do do when she compares us against people she knows with children).

My thoughts are that yes, my mum did say she?d like to help out a lot, but I think that has to be within reason with what?s being asked of her. We shouldn?t just ?expect? or take for granted that our grandparents should be able help at the drop of a hat and rearrange their lives around us and the working lives we?ve chosen to live. I consider it a big favour that they choose to help us out as much as they do and that given the unpredictable rota?s that my girlfriend?s work demands, that we do pretty good by both our grandparents. Although my mother isn?t available all the time (and is not as reliable and doesn?t do as much my girlfriends mother), the babysitting my mother?s already done and continues to do has saved us a lot of money and effort, which I?m very grateful for. I also think my girlfriend should perhaps be more grateful and is not being very realistic and reasonable in what she is expecting from my mum. At the same time, I can see perhaps why it annoys her when her mother is fantastic and helps all the time but sometimes my mother is too busy seeing her friends to help out, as this does get to me sometimes too. I think it probably also annoys my girlfriend that although I do sometimes agree with her and some things my mum does, that more so than not I?m more sticking up for my mum.
My girlfriends a great mother and girlfriend, but I think she may be expecting a little too much and shouldn?t be so harsh on my mum with what she says about her.

So bottom line is, should my mum be helping more and be more flexible in rearranging/cancelling things with her friends to help us out more? Or should my girlfriend maybe cut her a bit of slack and is perhaps expecting a bit too much?
We seem to be going round in circles on this and have reached a stale mate. Any thoughts would be much appreciated!!

Many thanks in advance for any replies.

Many thanks!

D

OP posts:
Marjoriew · 20/07/2011 14:52

Get a grip, OP! Us grandparents have got lives too, you know. We've had our children - sort out your own child care.
Helping out in emergencies is one thing, but looking after grandchildren to replace child care is not on.

paulapantsdown · 20/07/2011 14:54

your kid - you mind it
if I were your parents I would tell you both to piss off
why should they be made to feel they HAVE to help?
cheeky buggers

revolutionscoop · 20/07/2011 14:54

As a more general comment, I think this works both ways. My Mil frequently decides to drop in on a whim to visit, often on a saturday morning or late on a Friday afternoon for example, and then suggests taking one or more of the dc to an event or swimming, or back to her house to spend the night etc. This often puts me on the spot, as the children are then keen to go, and I become the villain if I say it isn't really convenient. Generally I end up agreeing to her having the dc as often as she'd like. Given this, I don't feel in the slightest bit guilty for asking, nay, expecting her to babysit for me on the (fairly rare) occasion that I need to attend a meeting or appointment at the last minute. If your Dm isn't making any demands of you, however, it seems slightly unreasonable to make demands of her. IYSWIM

Ephiny · 20/07/2011 14:54

I thought it was a bit weird to expect a card from grandparents too (unless obviously they live far away and couldn't be there in person) - maybe work colleagues or friends would send a card, but seems a bit unnecessarily formal for close family.

I think it's weird when couples send birthday cards to each other when they live in the same house though! And wouldn't send a Christmas card to someone I was going to spend the day with. But I know different people/families have different habits and etiquette when it comes to this sort of thing. It seems silly to be so offended over it though, especially as the GPs have been so involved and helpful, surely that counts for far more than a card.

AnneWiddecomesArse · 20/07/2011 15:08

Your GF is being unreasonable and sounds like an entitled brat.
The Grandparents have already brought up their own family and struggled with these issues. They shouldn't have an obligation to act as surrogate parents for their Grandchildren.
They shouldn't be relied upon; they shouldn't have to accomodate your child. It should not be an obligation or commitment.

Sorry. I'm of the opinion it's your child and down to the pair of you to sort out the childcare
Your problem

SkelleyBones · 20/07/2011 15:13

Hmm does the same apply then when the grandparents need their arses wiping, do the grown children turn around and say I've got my own life good luck in the care home or do we all pull together and help each other rather than having to pay strangers who don't give a shit about granny or the baby really ?
How has it come to this, I despair at times.

exoticfruits · 20/07/2011 15:15

If I get to be a grandmother I expect to have a busy social life and fit any babysitting around it. I would drop things for a real emergency, but it will be my time, I have no intention of not doing things 'in case' I am needed or being pinned down to regular childcare.
I agree-your problem and there is no need for your mother to solve it.

Ormirian · 20/07/2011 15:17

"Or should my girlfriend maybe cut her a bit of slack and is perhaps expecting a bit too much?"

Yes.

When it comes to GPs helping out there is no 'should' involved.

exoticfruits · 20/07/2011 15:19

I have told my DCs now that they are not responsible for me when I am old and if I forget it later they are to remember this conversation as I am deadly serious. If I can't wipe my own bottom I will pay strangers-they are not doing it!
I loved having my DCs, l loved bringing them up and I want them to have complete freedom to do whatever they want in life-even if it means emigrating to Australia-they do not 'owe' me.

scarletfingernail · 20/07/2011 15:19

Your GF is being VVV unreasonable.

A grandparent should help as much or as little as they want. Your DD is your and your DFs responsibility, not your mother's.

It's one thing to offer to babysit now and again if you fancy a night out or have an appointment etc, it's something else completely when it's expected as a regular arrangement. Also a massive difference in terms of commitment and responsibility. Your mother should not have to change any arrangements already made or should she be expected to. She should also be able to say no without being made to feel guilty even if she doesn't have any other plans. It's nice when GPs can help but it should never become an expectation.

It's nice that your GFs parents choose to spoil your DD and it's nice that they are willing to help out with childcare so your GF can work. But just because they choose to do this does not automatically mean the other grandparents should do the same!

Your GF needs to lose this chip on her shoulder about your mother, for your DDs sake. It's totally unreasonable and very unfair. Unless there's more to the story than what you've mentioned here. Your GF sounds very immature.

girlafraid · 20/07/2011 15:23

Agree that this works both ways. You can't expect it but if there's no giving they can't expect to do any taking - that sounds merecenary but it's the way it works

My mum actually cried when my brother asked her to babysit one time. Too stressed, too much to ask etc etc but then expects everything to be dropped when she wants to be there. I ask for nothing, expect nothing but everything to do with my children is done on my terms.

I don't think this is ideal, wld be much nicer to have a fmaily who all help each other

Salmotrutta · 20/07/2011 15:26

Another one here who doesn't want to be "looked after" by my DCs - that's my choice. I'd rather be independant up to the point where it's impossible (or I die) then go into a home or whatever.
I didn't have DC for them to look after me in old age.

thesurgeonsmate · 20/07/2011 15:27

I say again, what to do? Wail! Sort childcare out, yes, but how to deal with GF being unpleasant about DM?

scarletfingernail · 20/07/2011 15:27

Agree with exoticfruits. As soon as my DS is old enough I will tell him that I make no demands of him in terms of any future care I may need due to age or ill health. All I wish for him is to enjoy his own life without hurting anyone else. If that means I end up in a care home, so be it.

Marjoriew · 20/07/2011 15:33

''how to deal with GF being unpleasant about DM''?
You need to grow some and tell her to button it!

exoticfruits · 20/07/2011 15:41

In the last 6 months (because of family events) I have told each of them separately that they are not ever to feel responsible for me. I will be independent as long as possible and if not I will go into care. It sends shudders down me to even think that I would be asking them to have me full time, to the extent of them having to take me to the toilet, no way-strangers are much better.
I never understand why other cultures are shown as better at looking after the old. I have read a lot of books about the Chinese, Indians etc and they may look after them but it isn't always rosy-sometimes I think they would be much better off in care.

minipie · 20/07/2011 15:44

Your MIL offered to babysit.

Babysitting means the odd evening while you and your GF go out.

What your GF is asking for is childcare not babysitting.

As everyone else has said, GPs aren't obliged to help out. Even if they offer, they're entitled to change their mind (unless they do it at very short notice which is a PITA).

On a slight tangent - can you really not find any childcare to cover the hours between 5pm and 6.30? Maybe a local sixth former?

LoonyRationalist · 20/07/2011 15:46

I agree with all those who say that it seems that your childcare does not seem sufficient for your needs & that you or your GF need to look at changing something to enable you to fulfil your responsibilities if caring for your daughter.

The poster who pointed out that with your mother gives more on the occasions she does help as she 30 mins away compared to your MIL 5 mins away made a good point too.

BranchingOut · 20/07/2011 16:50

I am finding this thread quite strange - legions of MNers coming on and saying that it is unreasonable to expect any help with childcare, even when it has been offered. Yet it was on MN that I first came across the phenomenon of parents going away for overnight stays and weekends away and leaving their DC with grandparents.... There are also lots of MNers whose children regularly receive full-day care from grandparents, yet this is care from only 5pm - 6.30pm? I think it just goes to show that different families and different communities have, obviously, different expectations of what grandparents might do.

I agree that the OP's girlfriend needs to be much more appreciative of what her MIL is offering - it was fantastic that her MIL covered her course for 11 whole day sessions - but the OP does seem to be getting something of a pasting.

motherinferior · 20/07/2011 16:58

Oh, I find anyone who gets GP support as a matter of course quite strange!

secretsquirrel1 · 20/07/2011 17:02

You can not expect your parents/her parents to childmind - they are GP's, not CM's.

I know a lot of people who expect their parents to 'enjoy the priviledge of spending time with the GC' - actually, it's not quality time with them but bloody hard work having them all day, and bang out of order to expect them to cancel their lives in order to do it.

You are very lucky to have each other, and to have what help you have at present.

I'm a SP and do 12 1/2 hr shifts. My DM is a 3 hr drive away but even if she were down the road I would never ask her unless it was an emergency. I pay my CM 'nanny rates' after 6pm otherwise I'd have to go down the au pair/nanny route.

You really need to sit down and reassess your needs.

All the other stuff about 'what her mum is like & what your mum is like' is neither here or there.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow · 20/07/2011 17:07

I think the OPs scuttled off with his tail between his legs!

oh and YABU

FreudianSlipper · 20/07/2011 17:09

as much as they want to and are able to

my mum would like to have ds when i am at uni but i know this is too much for her so she picks him up from nursery two days a week

HappyMummyOfOne · 20/07/2011 17:11

Your girlfriend sounds very high maintainance and spoilt, I cant believe she thinks its fine for her mum to have to leave work early just so that she gets to continue with her life as it was before.

Grandparents have raised their children, they should have the opportunity to spend time with their grandchildren without the obligation of childcare.

antshouse · 20/07/2011 17:14

AS much as she WANTS to. You are the parents.