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How much should grandparents help?

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Daws100 · 20/07/2011 13:32

Hi,

Apologies in advance, this is quite a long one!
My girlfriend and I have been ?discussing? how much help we should get from grandparents (mainly my mum) in helping with babysitting. We have an amazing 19 month old daughter.
My girlfriend works two 12 hour days a week but is on a rota shift so only finds out what days she?s working for the month approx 4 weeks beforehand. Our daughter goes to a childminder for those 2 days til 5pm. At this point we have to rely on grandparents to pick our daughter up and take her home for her dinner until I get in from work at 6.30pm (I have to leave work early to make this time so no chance of leaving even earlier).

My girlfriends mum still works (locally to where we live) and is able to leave work a bit early to pick our daughter up for one day of the week, which is a massive help. She is normally available 99% of the time to do this and although doesn?t normally have many other things on in the evenings, would if needed, drop what she has planned to help out. Her mum lives a 5 minute drive from ours.
My mum is retired and also helps out a fair bit but tends to have a busy social life a lot of the evenings and days. Ideally we?d like my mum to be able to pick up my daughter the other day of the week. If my mum has say a month?s notice of days we ask her to babysit (before her calendar gets filled up with social things) and she is free on those days, then she happily does so and loves doing so. However, if she has social things already booked, then she won?t ever cancel or rearrange to pick up our daughter, unless it were to be a big emergency. So with say a month?s notice my mum is available about 80% of the time. If it?s say 2 weeks or under she?s probably available 40% - 50% of the time as by that time she normally has other things booked in her diary. My mum lives a 30 minute drive from our house.
I think one reason my mum puts so much importance on keeping a good social circle is my dad is potentially quite ill and so has it hanging over her head worrying that he might not be around for many years to come and so makes a lot of effort to see friends a lot of the time so she is not lonely if anything happens to my dad.

When my girlfriend thought about going back to work after having our daughter, I have to admit my mum insisted she?d like to help with babysitting where possible. At this time I don?t think my mum or I realised the days my girlfriend would be working would not be fixed and could change all the time, therefore making it a lot harder to plan babysitting around. But for any fixed days, this is mostly fine ? for example, when a 12 week course came up that my girlfriend wished to attend fixed to Friday?s every week, my mum could then plan for that, putting all those dates in her diary and successfully babysat for us for all days (apart from one where she was on holiday) so my girlfriend could attend her course.
My girlfriends also not a big fan of my mum for other reasons like my parents just bought my daughter one fairly small present for her 1st Christmas and birthday and then gave us a cheque each time to put in my daughters saving account, which my girlfriend thought didn?t require much thought from them. I also was a bit disappointed by this, but not as much as my girlfriend. Whereas my girlfriends parents bought our daughter lots and lots of presents for Christmas and her 1st birthday and really spoilt her. My parents also didn?t get us a card to say congratulations when my daughter was born either which annoyed my girlfriend. There have been a few other things like this, but those are probably the main kind of things. These things, together with the babysitting infuriates my girlfriend and she now pretty much hates my mum and I hear a lot of pretty harsh things said about my mum by her.

So, my girlfriends argument is that because my mum said she?d really like to help out, she thinks my mum should be available to pick up our daughter at least one day a week, any day of the week, depending on what days she is working that week (as after all, this is what her mum does without any problems). Because of my girlfriends work rota constantly changing, that day could be any day of the week (although mostly Monday ? Thursday). Most of the time my mum might have about 4 weeks notice, but on the odd occasion extra shifts come up at late notice for my girlfriend (within say a week) then she?ll also expect my mum to be able to be able to drop any plans she has and babysit our daughter then too. If it turns out my mum already has something arranged to see some friends, my mum says she can?t do it and sometimes won?t even just alter her plans by half hour or so to help as she doesn?t want to mess her friends about. My girlfriend gets extremely annoyed that my mum is not prepared to ever rearrange or cancel meeting friends so that she can pick up our daughter. She thinks she puts more importance on seeing her friends than helping us out. It?s kind of like a first come first served scenario with my mum and her time. My girlfriend thinks my mum is a bad grandmother and that she?s not being unreasonable at all in expecting this from my mum and that this is something that all other grandmothers would do (and do do when she compares us against people she knows with children).

My thoughts are that yes, my mum did say she?d like to help out a lot, but I think that has to be within reason with what?s being asked of her. We shouldn?t just ?expect? or take for granted that our grandparents should be able help at the drop of a hat and rearrange their lives around us and the working lives we?ve chosen to live. I consider it a big favour that they choose to help us out as much as they do and that given the unpredictable rota?s that my girlfriend?s work demands, that we do pretty good by both our grandparents. Although my mother isn?t available all the time (and is not as reliable and doesn?t do as much my girlfriends mother), the babysitting my mother?s already done and continues to do has saved us a lot of money and effort, which I?m very grateful for. I also think my girlfriend should perhaps be more grateful and is not being very realistic and reasonable in what she is expecting from my mum. At the same time, I can see perhaps why it annoys her when her mother is fantastic and helps all the time but sometimes my mother is too busy seeing her friends to help out, as this does get to me sometimes too. I think it probably also annoys my girlfriend that although I do sometimes agree with her and some things my mum does, that more so than not I?m more sticking up for my mum.
My girlfriends a great mother and girlfriend, but I think she may be expecting a little too much and shouldn?t be so harsh on my mum with what she says about her.

So bottom line is, should my mum be helping more and be more flexible in rearranging/cancelling things with her friends to help us out more? Or should my girlfriend maybe cut her a bit of slack and is perhaps expecting a bit too much?
We seem to be going round in circles on this and have reached a stale mate. Any thoughts would be much appreciated!!

Many thanks in advance for any replies.

Many thanks!

D

OP posts:
DizzyKipper · 20/07/2011 14:19

Like some one else has put so well already, it seems that your gf has this attitude of "entitlement". Actually I thought she was extremely unsympathetic to the fact your mum appears to be trying to protect herself emotionally against possibly losing your father soon. Has she stopped for a moment and really thought about how devastating that will be to your mum?
My mum is currently going through bereavement, it is an extremely difficult thing for her to deal with and it will be extremely difficult for your mum if and when it happens. From the sounds of it your gf hasn't given this a moments thought and comes off as quite callous really. Your mum has the right to try to keep up her social life regardless, but especially when this may be a defence mechanism against upcoming bereavement. I cannot emphasise that enough and really wish your gf would stop thinking of herself and start thinking about your mum a bit more sympathetically! The fact that she's openly being rude and so judgemental about your mum is actually just horrible.

Your mum doesn't really have to help you at all, anything she does do is a bonus that she should be thankful for.

pozzled · 20/07/2011 14:21

Your mum should definitely NOT have to cancel or rearrange activities in order to babysit. It's great if GPs live close by, but they have their own lives to lead and are not obliged to help out at all.

IMO your girlfriend is being very unreasonable in her expectations. 1 year-olds don't care about christmas or birthday presents. She seems to have decided that GPs act in a certain way, and anything else means they don't care.

As for thinking that all parents would be willing to babysit at late notice even if they had something planned- no. I know I could call on my mum at any time in an emergency, and have done so several times. But if it wasn't an emergency and she had something planned, she'd just say 'Sorry, I'm busy that day' and that would be the end of it.

MaryThornbar · 20/07/2011 14:22

I can see the OP's GF's point to a certain extent - the OP himself is benefitting from his GF's mother's generosity with childcare and her time, and the GF is obviously from a family who really want to bend over backwards to help each other, and she seems to find it hard to understand a different point of view.

Why should her parents be the ones making sacrifices to enable not only the GF, but the OP to work the hours they do? That's not to say that either set of GP's should, but there is clearly an imbalance. Personally I think that neither set should be expected to rearrange plans at short notice and other childcare arrangements should be made to prevent bad feeling.

I also don't think it is the gift of a cheque that is a problem, more the disparity between the two sets of GPs and the perceived 'thought' that went into the gift. I think not buying a card when your first grandchild is born is really weird too.

I imagine there is a bit more to this than meets the eye.

lels99 · 20/07/2011 14:23

In the nicest possible way, you both chose to have a child and for your gf to return to work, not your parents. Any help that they give you should be appreciated and not judged. As for not spoiling your daughter on her birthday or at christmas and putting money inher bank account, she is 1 year old and hardly likely to remeber what she got for her birthday but is loikely to be grateful in the future to have a little bit of money to support her in what she chooses to do.

Would it not be better to find a childminder who can take her for longer?

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/07/2011 14:25

berkshirefem "I also don't like that your girlfriend is slagging your mum off to you."

Exactly. Especially when her complaints are unfounded.

OldRedEyes · 20/07/2011 14:25

did you ask their advice on conceiving? on how many children you should have? on how to bring your kids up? what to name them?

no? then why should they be responsible for any of your child care?

DuelingFanjo · 20/07/2011 14:26

I think as little as they want to but never as much! what I mean is you should never expect them to babysit/help but neither should they expect to.

tabulahrasa · 20/07/2011 14:27

Hang on, your girlfriend's mother leaves her job early to help you and your girlfriend to do yours? Seriously?

No wonder she's so demanding if she doesn't see anything wrong with that Hmm

COCKadoodledooo · 20/07/2011 14:27

There's no should about it imo. They're your children, not your parents' children.

Teachermumof3 · 20/07/2011 14:28

Is your girlfriend demanding and unreasonable about other issues?

fgaaagh · 20/07/2011 14:28

100% agree with the posters pointing out that it's the OP's duty to sort out proper, reliable childcare too, not just his GF.

My suggestion about changing employer, working from home, moving to a non-rota job, working evenings instead, getting paid childcare to cover the needs of this child, or whatever, apply just as much to the OP as the GF since they are both the parents.

Whilst it's crap that he's been placed in a situation where the GF is essentially attacking the GP for not covering things properly - perhaps the solution is closer to home, and it ain't with that GP re-arranging her social nights.

I'm glad to see everyone (with the exception of thinnigella's bizarre post) is on the same idea as me on this one though.

StrandedBear · 20/07/2011 14:28

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DizzyKipper · 20/07/2011 14:30

"I think not buying a card when your first grandchild is born is really weird too."

lol I'm opposite, I actually find the idea of receiving a card from such a close family member about the birth of your baby quite weird - surely they'll be there visiting and able to congratulate you in person? But I'm not a great lover of cards anyway, very little thought or meaning tends to go in them.

FetchezLaVache · 20/07/2011 14:31

I vote you show your girlfriend this thread, OP.

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/07/2011 14:32

Exactly DizzyKipper! And that OP's girlfriend sets such store by them is another personality indicator to me and not a good one.

drcrab · 20/07/2011 14:32

It's not the grandparents' duty to help with childminding. If they offer great, you TAKE IT! and be eternally grateful.

Unless, you live in a culture where grandparents are expected to help out (and actually want to help out). I live in the UK now and have done for half my life. My DCs grandparents (my parents) live 12.5 hours by plane away - so no childcare. My DCs other grandparents live 6 hours by car away - again no childcare. Having said that, if we went back to the culture that I grew up in, the grandparents will be wanting to help with pick ups/drop offs and general baby sitting I think. But that's that culture, not the one here.

MaryThornbar · 20/07/2011 14:34

DizzyKipper I like ones with nice words, and keep them for the memories - but maybe I'm just sentimental! I feel that the birth of a child, especially one of a close family member, should be marked and celebrated - their son has become a father for the first time. Do you not buy any cards for close family members for birthdays and Christmas if you are going to be seeing them? Surely you say Happy Birthday/Christmas in person as well as giving a card?

Salmotrutta · 20/07/2011 14:34

thinNigella - "I'm in a similar position, and have been astounded at the selfishness of my parents - like you I was shocked they didn't jump at the opportunity to spend some time with my little one.

In my case I discovered...

  1. Actually they were very concerned about how to deal with DC in case of crying etc
  2. There was lots I can do to make it easier e.g prepare food, hand over clean clothes etc so all they had to do was microwave food
  3. There are still small things that drive me insane eg they won't buy full fat milk so I have to provide it. Very very annoying.
  4. They needed to 'feel appreciated' [hmmm] so I now fall over myself to thank profusely every time
  5. Apparently I'm a control freak - my mother's cooking is dire and I have to bite my tongue at living off dolmio sauces and tesco value sweet n sour sauce

I have decided to just live with some of it, they are doing me a favour. But as with so many things in life I pay for it in other ways."

Not everone "jumps" at the chance to spend time with their GC - I do but not everyone and that's their choice. Some grandparents like to enjoy their free time after years of child-rearing and like weekly visits for a couple of hours instead. Which is absolutely up to them.
I actually do get concerned about how to deal with crying - I don't always have the answers/know every minutiae of their foibles and preferences. And I don't like not knowing how to comfort them.
The food and clothes thing - fair enough, maybe your Mum has forgotten about dealing with little ones
If they don't buy full fat milk it's hardly a major deal for you to provide it surely?
I quite like to know that my efforts are appreciated too - and they are by my DD and SIL. Who do thank me/us everytime.
Bad cooking is unlikely to harm your DC in the long term unless it's constant fry-ups and no fruit and veg etc.
Grandparents are supposed to be able to enjoy their DGC - not be handed a list of rules and regs.
And yes - they are doing you a favour. If you don't like it then make alternative arrangements.

I'm not trying to be horrible but if my DD moaned about me like that I'd set her straight I think. Not that she would.

StrandedBear · 20/07/2011 14:34

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RedHotPokers · 20/07/2011 14:38

It sounds like your parents help out quite a lot, OP, and I think your gf needs to be a bit more appreciative. YOu both have a lot more help than some people.

And as for the present/card issue, your GF is BVVU. It really seems like she is trying to find something to whinge about IMO. I don't think it is at all unusual for GPs to give money and a small present, and why on earth would you buy a card when you are going to be there, visiting and helping.

OP you need to do the following:

  1. Find a CM or nursery that is open until 6ish (mine opens until 6.15).
  2. Ask your employer if you can work through your lunch and leave 30 mins early once a week to pick up from nursery/CM.
  3. Agree with your wife that she may need to put courses on hold for now until your DC starts school (I have had to turn down quite a few work courses for same reason).
  4. Ask your wife to stop picking holes in your parents - it is very wearing and unhelpful.
Pootles2010 · 20/07/2011 14:39

Wonder where OP's gone...

Salmotrutta · 20/07/2011 14:40

Maybe showing the GF this thread....................

thesurgeonsmate · 20/07/2011 14:43

I don't send christmas cards to the people I'm spending christmas with Mary. I tend to be of the DizzyKipper camp and feel that a grandparent is too close to need to send a card. I suppose I do present birthday cards even if I see the person, but that's kind of about labelling the gift. I feel it's not weird to not snd one, and it might not even be noticed unless there's another grandparent who has sent one to provide a comparison.

valiumredhead · 20/07/2011 14:43

Sorry I gave up half way through your post OP Grin BUT when she offered to babysit she probably meant the odd night here and there while have a night out, what she's ended up doing is much more than that.

MaryThornbar · 20/07/2011 14:46

Yeah I see your point thesurgeonsmate, I guess it's whatever's normal to you. It just would never occur to me not to bring a card & gift when visiting new parents, whoever they were!

I guess that's where the problem lies with the OP - his DM's behaviour just isn't what's normal to her and her family, but she needs to realise not everyone's the same.