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How much should grandparents help?

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Daws100 · 20/07/2011 13:32

Hi,

Apologies in advance, this is quite a long one!
My girlfriend and I have been ?discussing? how much help we should get from grandparents (mainly my mum) in helping with babysitting. We have an amazing 19 month old daughter.
My girlfriend works two 12 hour days a week but is on a rota shift so only finds out what days she?s working for the month approx 4 weeks beforehand. Our daughter goes to a childminder for those 2 days til 5pm. At this point we have to rely on grandparents to pick our daughter up and take her home for her dinner until I get in from work at 6.30pm (I have to leave work early to make this time so no chance of leaving even earlier).

My girlfriends mum still works (locally to where we live) and is able to leave work a bit early to pick our daughter up for one day of the week, which is a massive help. She is normally available 99% of the time to do this and although doesn?t normally have many other things on in the evenings, would if needed, drop what she has planned to help out. Her mum lives a 5 minute drive from ours.
My mum is retired and also helps out a fair bit but tends to have a busy social life a lot of the evenings and days. Ideally we?d like my mum to be able to pick up my daughter the other day of the week. If my mum has say a month?s notice of days we ask her to babysit (before her calendar gets filled up with social things) and she is free on those days, then she happily does so and loves doing so. However, if she has social things already booked, then she won?t ever cancel or rearrange to pick up our daughter, unless it were to be a big emergency. So with say a month?s notice my mum is available about 80% of the time. If it?s say 2 weeks or under she?s probably available 40% - 50% of the time as by that time she normally has other things booked in her diary. My mum lives a 30 minute drive from our house.
I think one reason my mum puts so much importance on keeping a good social circle is my dad is potentially quite ill and so has it hanging over her head worrying that he might not be around for many years to come and so makes a lot of effort to see friends a lot of the time so she is not lonely if anything happens to my dad.

When my girlfriend thought about going back to work after having our daughter, I have to admit my mum insisted she?d like to help with babysitting where possible. At this time I don?t think my mum or I realised the days my girlfriend would be working would not be fixed and could change all the time, therefore making it a lot harder to plan babysitting around. But for any fixed days, this is mostly fine ? for example, when a 12 week course came up that my girlfriend wished to attend fixed to Friday?s every week, my mum could then plan for that, putting all those dates in her diary and successfully babysat for us for all days (apart from one where she was on holiday) so my girlfriend could attend her course.
My girlfriends also not a big fan of my mum for other reasons like my parents just bought my daughter one fairly small present for her 1st Christmas and birthday and then gave us a cheque each time to put in my daughters saving account, which my girlfriend thought didn?t require much thought from them. I also was a bit disappointed by this, but not as much as my girlfriend. Whereas my girlfriends parents bought our daughter lots and lots of presents for Christmas and her 1st birthday and really spoilt her. My parents also didn?t get us a card to say congratulations when my daughter was born either which annoyed my girlfriend. There have been a few other things like this, but those are probably the main kind of things. These things, together with the babysitting infuriates my girlfriend and she now pretty much hates my mum and I hear a lot of pretty harsh things said about my mum by her.

So, my girlfriends argument is that because my mum said she?d really like to help out, she thinks my mum should be available to pick up our daughter at least one day a week, any day of the week, depending on what days she is working that week (as after all, this is what her mum does without any problems). Because of my girlfriends work rota constantly changing, that day could be any day of the week (although mostly Monday ? Thursday). Most of the time my mum might have about 4 weeks notice, but on the odd occasion extra shifts come up at late notice for my girlfriend (within say a week) then she?ll also expect my mum to be able to be able to drop any plans she has and babysit our daughter then too. If it turns out my mum already has something arranged to see some friends, my mum says she can?t do it and sometimes won?t even just alter her plans by half hour or so to help as she doesn?t want to mess her friends about. My girlfriend gets extremely annoyed that my mum is not prepared to ever rearrange or cancel meeting friends so that she can pick up our daughter. She thinks she puts more importance on seeing her friends than helping us out. It?s kind of like a first come first served scenario with my mum and her time. My girlfriend thinks my mum is a bad grandmother and that she?s not being unreasonable at all in expecting this from my mum and that this is something that all other grandmothers would do (and do do when she compares us against people she knows with children).

My thoughts are that yes, my mum did say she?d like to help out a lot, but I think that has to be within reason with what?s being asked of her. We shouldn?t just ?expect? or take for granted that our grandparents should be able help at the drop of a hat and rearrange their lives around us and the working lives we?ve chosen to live. I consider it a big favour that they choose to help us out as much as they do and that given the unpredictable rota?s that my girlfriend?s work demands, that we do pretty good by both our grandparents. Although my mother isn?t available all the time (and is not as reliable and doesn?t do as much my girlfriends mother), the babysitting my mother?s already done and continues to do has saved us a lot of money and effort, which I?m very grateful for. I also think my girlfriend should perhaps be more grateful and is not being very realistic and reasonable in what she is expecting from my mum. At the same time, I can see perhaps why it annoys her when her mother is fantastic and helps all the time but sometimes my mother is too busy seeing her friends to help out, as this does get to me sometimes too. I think it probably also annoys my girlfriend that although I do sometimes agree with her and some things my mum does, that more so than not I?m more sticking up for my mum.
My girlfriends a great mother and girlfriend, but I think she may be expecting a little too much and shouldn?t be so harsh on my mum with what she says about her.

So bottom line is, should my mum be helping more and be more flexible in rearranging/cancelling things with her friends to help us out more? Or should my girlfriend maybe cut her a bit of slack and is perhaps expecting a bit too much?
We seem to be going round in circles on this and have reached a stale mate. Any thoughts would be much appreciated!!

Many thanks in advance for any replies.

Many thanks!

D

OP posts:
Teachermumof3 · 20/07/2011 13:50

My goodness, your girlfriend sounds like jolly hard work; your poor mum!

They are your children; you need to organise paid childcare. Just because your mum said she'd like to help with babysitting once, that doesn't mean she should be expected to arrange all of her retirement plans around your girlfriend's shift work!

She's had her children!

Daws100 · 20/07/2011 13:51

Sorry people. I know it was a bit of a MONSTER post but just trying to make sure I don't leave anything out as I wanted it to be as true as possible from both our points of view (although I know always difficult when it's only me writing it so hope it's not too biased).
I think the dissapointment in Christmas and birthday present thing was also because her parents obviously went out and spent a lot of time and effort buying lots of presents for our daughter. Mine didn't put as much effort in as they just bought the one present which was a squirrel puppet from a garden centre they always go to. Although maybe not as great, I personally don't think that means my parents don't love or care about our daughter any less than what my girlfriends parents do though, but hey ho.

OP posts:
fgaaagh · 20/07/2011 13:51

"most people agree with the OP that it's helpful for his Mum to do what she does and his girlfriends' expectations are unrealistic. But what to do? I'd hate to be in his position!"

Do what other people with GPs not around/able to help out with childcare do.

Change employer to a fixed rota. Switch so that one parent works in the evenings instead, so less childcare needed. Look into prospects for working at home. Pay a childminder/nanny. And that's just off the top of my head.

Surely the OP and his GF had a plan B if GPs wouldn't/couldn't help out with childcare?

As Morloth said: Welcome to parenting.

Kayano · 20/07/2011 13:52

Your GF is BVVVU!

Cheeky moo. She already picks up 80% of the time and only won't if has pre existing plans

Also... The kid was 1 ! How many presents does it need?! The cash was a good present IMO.

I think GF needs a talking to - Sorry to be blunt

EnSuiteShed · 20/07/2011 13:52

Just managed to actually read your post through.

Your girlfriend sounds like an utter bitch she really needs to get a grip.

Yes your mother said she would help out with babysitting, but by all accounts she does do! But your girlfriend cannot expect people to drop everything at a moments notice to look after your child.

Also, if she "hates" your mother so much, then I'm not sure how she can have the audacity to want her to look after your daughter.

I feel sorry for you as it seems as if you are very stuck in the middle.

camdancer · 20/07/2011 13:53

That's the problem with statements like "I'd love to help out." Your Mum may have in her mind 1-2 days a month when I'm free, whereas your girlfriend thought 1 day a week dropping everything to help. It sounds like no-one actually clarified what "help" meant until it was too late.

fwiw, I'm firmly in the "your children, your problem" camp. It's great when gp's can help out but you can't rely on it.

FetchezLaVache · 20/07/2011 13:53

I'm a bit that way out today, so sorry if this comes across as really rude, but could it be that your mum doesn't want to rearrange her social life to fit in with your childcare needs because your girlfriend is a bit of a twat to her? What, she dislikes your mother because she gave your daughter a cheque, rather than loads of plastic tat, for her 1st birthday and Christmas? She DISLIKES her because of that??

You sound really entitled and ungrateful. Your mum is looking after a sick husband and, you admit, really relies on her social events. Furthermore, you say she didn't realise when she offered to help that your GF would be working shifts. Did your GF go back to your mum, explain this, and ask if her help would still be forthcoming before accepting the job? I bet she didn't.

hildathebuilder · 20/07/2011 13:53

For heavens sake. Your mum helps out a lot. More than most. Your girlfriend seems to feel its not enough. She's wrong, you get alot of help and support, appreciate it and be grateful. And remember the fact that when your mum gets older, and perhaps ill, or frail she will have her friends to fall back on as she values those friends and prioritises those friends. Which is priceless.

And as for christmas, get real a 1 year old needs nothing for christmas, they don't knwo its christmas. A cheque is much much more useful.

hormonalmum · 20/07/2011 13:54

Your mum helps where she can and on her terms. You cannot expect anymore and do well to have so much help

PorkChopSter · 20/07/2011 13:54

as much as they want to, in answer to the OP.

It sounds like your girlfriend would like your mother to do 50% of the care with her mother. In an ideal world, but she's not for whatever reason. Which is fine: it's HER choice. Not your girlfriend's.

QueenCee · 20/07/2011 13:54

I'm sorry but your girlfriend sounds awful! You chose to have a child and that she should go back to work. Why the hell should your parents rearrange their lives to suit you! Unbeliveable! She sounds like a horrible, selfish individual.
I'm shocked at her sense of entitlement.
I have a DD and pregnant with Dc2. DH and I don't expect any help from anyone. When I go back to work we will pay a nursery.
I'd hate my childrens gp's to ever think of them as a burden and instead have lots if fun, happy times.
I'd love to see your gf cancel her plans for someone elses convenience. Something tells me she wouldn't.
Maybe she should get a job with more reliable shifts.
She really is a shocker!!!

memphis83 · 20/07/2011 13:55

I think your girlfriend is BU, Your mum helps out as much as she can, she has had her children and now she is putting herself first for probably the first time in her life.
You and your girlfriend should have thought about it more before you had a child, your mum said she wanted an active role in childs life not a regular babysitter that drops everything at a moments notice.
Why is your mum being set upon, regardless of if her mum works and your mum doesnt you could use the argument why doesnt her mum change her shifts at work to accomodate childcare?
DH's mum works, not as much as my mum but she probably only has DS one day for a few hours once a month, my mum has DS one day a week while I work a 12 hour day (a set day, plus I work for my mum) plus when we go out at a weekend about once a month.

BranchingOut · 20/07/2011 13:55

So bottom line is, should my mum be helping more and be more flexible in rearranging/cancelling things with her friends to help us out more? Or should my girlfriend maybe cut her a bit of slack and is perhaps expecting a bit too much?

Sorry, but I think it is a bit of both. Your mum does sound a bit rigid in never cancelling or adjusting her arrangements, particularly if she is given notice and given that she was keen to offer in the beginning. What she is being asked to do is not too onerous in terms of childcare, yet it would really help you out.

Could you possibly ask her to be willing to change her plans maybe a set number of times per month? eg. two 'late arrivals' to her social events per month.

I would also see if your childminder could consider extending her hours, or possibly look into employing a person to do ad-hoc childcare. Advertise on Netmums or similar and you may well be in luck. I employ a retired nursery worker to do some childcare as and when we need her. If you check references well and feel comfortable then you could be sorted out.

I feel some sympathy for your girlfriend, as her shifts sound quite stressful without having to worry about childcare on top. However, she sounds as if she is holding quite a lot of grudges and she has to let some of these go in order not to drive a wedge in the family. Initially I was not keen for my MIL to do much childcare (my own mother passed away so there was an emotional element to all this) but I went with it and it has been wonderful. Maybe it is a case of recognising your mum's limitations and appreciating the good sides of what she has to offer - maybe she will come into her element later on during the school years when she can do school pick ups that your girlfriend's mum won't be available to do?

Try not to build this into a dispute with your girlfriend, but rather look upon it as a problem-solving exercise.

Balsam · 20/07/2011 13:56

Agree with everyone else and will also say that I would LOVE it if people gave my kids a cheque for their savings rather than endless amounts of plastic crap they don't need or want that clutters us up. Doubly so when they're only one and don't even know what a birthday is.

sausagesandmarmelade · 20/07/2011 13:57

I didn't read all of the OPs post either...

My answer is..

As much as they want to!

They should not be expected to help out...nor used as un-paid babysitters.

If a good relationship develops between the child and it's grandparents then they will naturally want to look after the child from time to time and have lots of 1:1 quality time.

Sarsaparilllla · 20/07/2011 13:57

Oh I missed the bit about the Christmas present, I think your mum's gift of a cheque was a great idea, how many toys does a 1 year old really need? A cheque can go into a savings account for the future and be used long after other toys and gifts have been forgotten about

ellmum · 20/07/2011 13:58

We get no help whatsoever from either set of grandparents (both retired - mine are in excellent health, in-laws not so much but manage to look after other DGC on a weekly basis) or indeed from anyone else in the family. It's not really a problem for me. I didn't expect any help and to be honest, as a grown up, I am able to make arrangements for childcare without involving my parents. My mum and Dad also gave a cheque for DD's first Xmas, and 1st birthday. I didn't give that a second thought. I don't necessarily think that the size of a gift is equivalent to the amount of thought given to the child. It does sound like your GF has a few expectations that are not being met, but perhaps that's more to do with her than it is your DM.

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Salmotrutta · 20/07/2011 13:59

Sorry - I found the post very hard to read and so missed the bit about presents etc. A small baby doesn't give a rat's arse what they get so IMO the money for the savings account was very sensible of your parents.
Your GF sounds very selfish and immature.
What would she say if you said this to her?:
"Well, it's clear you have a problem with how often my Mum babysits so why don't you look into getting a paid CM instead, if the arrangement isn't suiting you"
I think you need to sit her down and tell the silly girl a few home truths.
Just out of interest - is she quite spoilt?

Lizcat · 20/07/2011 14:00

Some grandparents love to help and will drop everything to do so - my Mum or Dad will do this and drive 120miles to help. Other grandparents do not want to do this - DH's parents will only do a very occasional pick up (they live 3miles away) with at least 2 months notice.
I say all of this as someone who works various different shifts with nights and weekends.
With regards presents I think you just have to be grateful for whatever you get - shortly your house will be full of toys and the cheques will seem much better.

berkshirefem · 20/07/2011 14:01

Firstly, this never used to happen. I guess partly because more mum's were at home rather than working and this isn't so much the case now (thankfully we arent confined to a life of childcare just because we are women!)
But for whatever reasons, if you had a child you had to look after it, or pay for someone else to.

I don't know what the hell this weird assumption is all about that grandparents should do all of the childcare. You're parents have done their share of juggling social arrangements and tiring themselves out with kids. Sure, they should spend time with your children but that should mean family time, days out all together, sunday lunch etc, not time as an unpaid babysitter. I know for sure that i am not working all my life only to become carer to my grandkids at 60 years old. Christ I'm tired enough of it now and I'm not even 30 yet.

I think your girlfriend's attitude is disgusting and I also think you both need to organise care for your child on the days that you are both at work. Whether that means paying for it between you, or one of you always being at home.

Give your mum a break.

I also don't like that your girlfriend is slagging your mum off to you.

thebeansmum · 20/07/2011 14:02

Totally agree with most posts - it's a privilege, not a right, to have help with childcare. I think a lot of people in general, gparents, other family members, friends etc are a bit wary of having to be 'available' to you and are hesitant to commit to anything for fear of letting you down and falling out if they want to get away on a last minute holiday, for example, and feeling like they will be leaving you in the lurch. What if there are many more granchildren to come? Would you expect the same then?

TBH - your gf sounds like a big part of the problem. If I had such a big issue with my in-laws, I wouldn't want them to be anywhere near my kids. Is gf very young? Stressing over a congrats card when you have a new baby to care for? Quite strange.

hayleysd · 20/07/2011 14:03

Yabu to expect her to help, can the Childminder not keep her until you get back? I am a Childminder and work til 7pm 4 nights a week, upto the individual Childminder though and you were lucky to find one who accommodates shifts

fgaaagh · 20/07/2011 14:03

BranchingOut, I'd be pretty pissed if I got to retirement and someone demanded the following:

"Could you possibly ask her to be willing to change her plans maybe a set number of times per month? eg. two 'late arrivals' to her social events per month."

Why should she be late to classes or social events that she wants to attend in her retirement, if she's trying to build a social network alongside an ill husband to care for?

There's flexibility, and there's taking the piss. Asking someone to regularly give up or amend their plans due to the OP's childcare needs is totally out of order, IMHO. It's not like it's an emergency or unforseen event. It's shift work which is planned 4 weeks in advance, FGS.

stoatie · 20/07/2011 14:04

As others have said your GF is BU. I also work shifts and rarely get a month's notice - sometimes it is less than two days. You are extremely fortunate that your childminder is flexible with her days - we have to book childcare (now thankfully only after school/holidays) to cover all days - most weeks paying for care we don't need because of my shifts but in order to secure her place we have to pay.