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How much should grandparents help?

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Daws100 · 20/07/2011 13:32

Hi,

Apologies in advance, this is quite a long one!
My girlfriend and I have been ?discussing? how much help we should get from grandparents (mainly my mum) in helping with babysitting. We have an amazing 19 month old daughter.
My girlfriend works two 12 hour days a week but is on a rota shift so only finds out what days she?s working for the month approx 4 weeks beforehand. Our daughter goes to a childminder for those 2 days til 5pm. At this point we have to rely on grandparents to pick our daughter up and take her home for her dinner until I get in from work at 6.30pm (I have to leave work early to make this time so no chance of leaving even earlier).

My girlfriends mum still works (locally to where we live) and is able to leave work a bit early to pick our daughter up for one day of the week, which is a massive help. She is normally available 99% of the time to do this and although doesn?t normally have many other things on in the evenings, would if needed, drop what she has planned to help out. Her mum lives a 5 minute drive from ours.
My mum is retired and also helps out a fair bit but tends to have a busy social life a lot of the evenings and days. Ideally we?d like my mum to be able to pick up my daughter the other day of the week. If my mum has say a month?s notice of days we ask her to babysit (before her calendar gets filled up with social things) and she is free on those days, then she happily does so and loves doing so. However, if she has social things already booked, then she won?t ever cancel or rearrange to pick up our daughter, unless it were to be a big emergency. So with say a month?s notice my mum is available about 80% of the time. If it?s say 2 weeks or under she?s probably available 40% - 50% of the time as by that time she normally has other things booked in her diary. My mum lives a 30 minute drive from our house.
I think one reason my mum puts so much importance on keeping a good social circle is my dad is potentially quite ill and so has it hanging over her head worrying that he might not be around for many years to come and so makes a lot of effort to see friends a lot of the time so she is not lonely if anything happens to my dad.

When my girlfriend thought about going back to work after having our daughter, I have to admit my mum insisted she?d like to help with babysitting where possible. At this time I don?t think my mum or I realised the days my girlfriend would be working would not be fixed and could change all the time, therefore making it a lot harder to plan babysitting around. But for any fixed days, this is mostly fine ? for example, when a 12 week course came up that my girlfriend wished to attend fixed to Friday?s every week, my mum could then plan for that, putting all those dates in her diary and successfully babysat for us for all days (apart from one where she was on holiday) so my girlfriend could attend her course.
My girlfriends also not a big fan of my mum for other reasons like my parents just bought my daughter one fairly small present for her 1st Christmas and birthday and then gave us a cheque each time to put in my daughters saving account, which my girlfriend thought didn?t require much thought from them. I also was a bit disappointed by this, but not as much as my girlfriend. Whereas my girlfriends parents bought our daughter lots and lots of presents for Christmas and her 1st birthday and really spoilt her. My parents also didn?t get us a card to say congratulations when my daughter was born either which annoyed my girlfriend. There have been a few other things like this, but those are probably the main kind of things. These things, together with the babysitting infuriates my girlfriend and she now pretty much hates my mum and I hear a lot of pretty harsh things said about my mum by her.

So, my girlfriends argument is that because my mum said she?d really like to help out, she thinks my mum should be available to pick up our daughter at least one day a week, any day of the week, depending on what days she is working that week (as after all, this is what her mum does without any problems). Because of my girlfriends work rota constantly changing, that day could be any day of the week (although mostly Monday ? Thursday). Most of the time my mum might have about 4 weeks notice, but on the odd occasion extra shifts come up at late notice for my girlfriend (within say a week) then she?ll also expect my mum to be able to be able to drop any plans she has and babysit our daughter then too. If it turns out my mum already has something arranged to see some friends, my mum says she can?t do it and sometimes won?t even just alter her plans by half hour or so to help as she doesn?t want to mess her friends about. My girlfriend gets extremely annoyed that my mum is not prepared to ever rearrange or cancel meeting friends so that she can pick up our daughter. She thinks she puts more importance on seeing her friends than helping us out. It?s kind of like a first come first served scenario with my mum and her time. My girlfriend thinks my mum is a bad grandmother and that she?s not being unreasonable at all in expecting this from my mum and that this is something that all other grandmothers would do (and do do when she compares us against people she knows with children).

My thoughts are that yes, my mum did say she?d like to help out a lot, but I think that has to be within reason with what?s being asked of her. We shouldn?t just ?expect? or take for granted that our grandparents should be able help at the drop of a hat and rearrange their lives around us and the working lives we?ve chosen to live. I consider it a big favour that they choose to help us out as much as they do and that given the unpredictable rota?s that my girlfriend?s work demands, that we do pretty good by both our grandparents. Although my mother isn?t available all the time (and is not as reliable and doesn?t do as much my girlfriends mother), the babysitting my mother?s already done and continues to do has saved us a lot of money and effort, which I?m very grateful for. I also think my girlfriend should perhaps be more grateful and is not being very realistic and reasonable in what she is expecting from my mum. At the same time, I can see perhaps why it annoys her when her mother is fantastic and helps all the time but sometimes my mother is too busy seeing her friends to help out, as this does get to me sometimes too. I think it probably also annoys my girlfriend that although I do sometimes agree with her and some things my mum does, that more so than not I?m more sticking up for my mum.
My girlfriends a great mother and girlfriend, but I think she may be expecting a little too much and shouldn?t be so harsh on my mum with what she says about her.

So bottom line is, should my mum be helping more and be more flexible in rearranging/cancelling things with her friends to help us out more? Or should my girlfriend maybe cut her a bit of slack and is perhaps expecting a bit too much?
We seem to be going round in circles on this and have reached a stale mate. Any thoughts would be much appreciated!!

Many thanks in advance for any replies.

Many thanks!

D

OP posts:
BranchingOut · 20/07/2011 14:05

Re-reading your original post, having seen the other responses:

Yes, I think it is reasonable to ask your mum to help out for a 'normal' shift eg. giving her maybe a fortnight's or ten day's notice in a situation where she might need to arrive a bit late for a social event but would still get to enjoy most of her evening.

The extra shifts - no, I don't think it is reasonable to ask her to help out at short notice, because that will mean letting down her own friends at short notice (which can damage relationships).

EnSuiteShed · 20/07/2011 14:05

Totally agree with what fgaaagh just said

Ephiny · 20/07/2011 14:05

Your girlfriend is being very unreasonable. There is no amount they 'should' help. If they want to help you out by babysitting occasionally then that's great, and it can be nice for both grandparent and child to have that time together. But they're not obliged to do anything at all - they've already done their years of parenting, it's your turn now!

As for being 'disappointed' that the one year old only got a 'small present' for Christmas (plus a contribution to her savings account for the future) - you both really need to get a grip about this, you sound very ungrateful and grasping. In my experience, kids of that age tend to be more interested in the packaging than the present itself, they really really don't care about how much thought and effort went into it!

I don't know what the best solution is - maybe a part-time nanny or a childminder/nursery who offer longer hours? Don't mean to be rude but did you not think about childcare before you had a baby?

RunnerHasbeen · 20/07/2011 14:06

Your girlfriend does sound unreasonable, in a number of ways but all boiling down to her being fixated on what people should do. People like this are rarely satisfied and can be a real drag to be around, especially if it takes the form of bitching behind their backs instead of actually having the courage to ask them why they do things. You should be grateful for all help, all presents and take people as you find them. As for this comparison between grandparents, that is childish.

You need to say to your girlfriend not to bitch about your mum but to clearly state her expectations (what her mum does is an irrelevant argument) and see what your mum says - hopefully by the time she boils it down to specific points she will see how daft and spoilt she sounds.

motherinferior · 20/07/2011 14:06

I've just read your OP.

I have to say that if I were your mother I would say Sod Off Dearest Boy, Sort Out Your Own Childcare And Bring My Grandaughter Round For Tea At A Time Of My Convenience. I might make a cake, though. I'm nice that way Hmm

berkshirefem · 20/07/2011 14:06

Also, I know this is a bit of an easier-said-than-done solution but can't the two of you look at changing jobs? As someone siad further down "welcome to parenting" If it's unavoidable then fair enough but 2 12 hour days isn't really condusive to being a parent.

caramelwaffle · 20/07/2011 14:07

I think you should look in to asking for flexible working from your employer - at the very least.

Or look in to the possiblity of changing your job.

How much have you considered becoming a part-time employee and part SAHD?

Or ask your childminder to recommend a later working, local childminder.

thinNigella · 20/07/2011 14:07

I'm in a similar position, and have been astounded at the selfishness of my parents - like you I was shocked they didn't jump at the opportunity to spend some time with my little one.

In my case I discovered...

  1. Actually they were very concerned about how to deal with DC in case of crying etc
  2. There was lots I can do to make it easier e.g prepare food, hand over clean clothes etc so all they had to do was microwave food
  3. There are still small things that drive me insane eg they won't buy full fat milk so I have to provide it. Very very annoying.
  4. They needed to 'feel appreciated' [hmmm] so I now fall over myself to thank profusely every time
  5. Apparently I'm a control freak - my mother's cooking is dire and I have to bite my tongue at living off dolmio sauces and tesco value sweet n sour sauce Biscuit

I have decided to just live with some of it, they are doing me a favour. But as with so many things in life I pay for it in other ways.

Kayano · 20/07/2011 14:08

Lesson one in how NOT to treat your mother

Salmotrutta · 20/07/2011 14:08

BranchingOut - much as I love my DD and SIL and enjoy my DGS I'd be pretty irritated at being asked if "I'd be willing to change my plans a set number of times a month" - I'd think that was pretty damn cheeky.

My MIL and Mum and Dad did sterling work in the childcare dept and I was eternally grateful and indebted. I did not expect it. They offered and loved doing it but I would have totally understood if they hadn't wanted to.

ExitPursuedByAGryffin · 20/07/2011 14:11

Millions of people manage without the help of Grandparents.

Teachermumof3 · 20/07/2011 14:11

At this point we have to rely on grandparents

You both need to drop this sense of entitlement-change jobs or find alternative childcare. How would you feel getting to retirement if your son demanded that your wife (who is coping with caring for her ill husband (you!)) cancelled her plans because his new girlfriend thought she should?

OP-are you going to show this thread to your girlfriend?

Salmotrutta · 20/07/2011 14:11

thinNigella - I hope your post is a wind-up?

shocked2 · 20/07/2011 14:13

Hi OP, have not read whole thread, but I too think that your girlfriend is being unreasonable / unkind in her expectations and thoughts about your mother. It sounds like she already helps a lot and it is perfectly reasonable for her not to want her social arrangements disrupted. Also re. the presents thing - a small present and money sounds lovely - so what if your girlfriend's parents did something different - personally I would rather have the money for my children than a load of toys cluttering up the house.... Sorry, but your girlfriend sounds a little spoilt.

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/07/2011 14:13

"she'll also expect my mum to be able to be able to drop any plans she has and babysit our daughter then too"

Sense of entitlement, much?

Seriously, there is no "should". Yes, her mum does lots - easy when you're 5 minutes away. Your mother has a round trip of an hour to add on to everything she does for you. So when her mother picks your DD up from nursery, it's from 5pm to 6.30pm with 5 minutes on either end. For your mother, it's 4.30 to 7pm and £5 in petrol. Not quite equivalent, are they?

"When my girlfriend thought about going back to work after having our daughter, I have to admit my mum insisted she'd like to help with babysitting where possible."

I think you have different ideas about 'possible'. Your mother sees that as being when her time is not already accounted for. Your girlfriend sees it as being if your mother is still breathing. Plus, did your mother know about the rotating rota when she said that? Because I'd bet money she was expecting regular days that she could then block out on her diary. As she did for the 12-week course.Your girlfriends rotating shifts are not your mother's fault.

It is very important for your mother to hold onto her social life in retirement. Without it, it would be all too possible for her to become isolated, especially as you say your father is unwell.

I really think your girlfriend needs to get over herself and grow up. She is not the centre of the world, with all of us dancing attendance to her although I suspect her mother has given her that impression .

thinNigella · 20/07/2011 14:14

Nope. All true!

craftynclothy · 20/07/2011 14:14

Shock Both your mum and her mum help out a LOT more than some. Both of our parents are too far away to help out with day to day stuff.

I don't think your gf realises how lucky she is to have people that can help out so often. As someone said, it's better to be grateful for what they can do rather than be cross about what they can't.

As for the Xmas presents, we had a similar thing here. My family went for presents, IL's went for money/small gift. While I wasn't fussed (people are free to choose what they give) I did find IL's rather critical of my parents, going on quite a bit about how the kids have too many toys and remarks about my parents "buying them far too many toys". In as much as it was IL's choice to give money, it was my parents choice to buy stuff. Is it possible there's been any comments that have made your gf feel her family are being criticised?

Either way, I think she's being incredibly unreasonable though to be so critical of your mum and then expecting her to give up her social life to provide (presumably free) childcare.

SpottyFrock · 20/07/2011 14:14
  1. GPs should never be expected to help. It should be seen as a bonus if and when they can. Their presence is hopefully to enrich the lives of their GC not to be a free nanny service.

  2. 1yr olds really don't need much. The small gift and cheque seems a perfectly reasonable present for a baby.

  3. Your daughter is your child, not your mother's. You have chosen to have her so your girlfriend must see it is totally unreasonable for your mother to give up her life to facilitate yours.

  4. You said yourself that when your mother offered to help she did not know that the days would change on a regular basis. The hards truth is that if your work pattern doesn't fit in with childcare then you need to look again at your career. Not expect someone else to pick up the slack.

5)Parenthood is hard; the choices surrounding it are difficult but ultimately that child is your responsibility.

Pootles2010 · 20/07/2011 14:15

Incidentally I wonder how much your gf will be helping out if (god forbid) your father does become quite ill?

chickydoo · 20/07/2011 14:15

Never expect help from anyone!!! learn to cope on your own as a family unit.
I learnt my lesson, my Mum helped out masses with childcare, then suddenly at 60 she had a massive stroke and is now permanently paralized, and doesn't even know who we are anymore. This happend over night, and our lives all changed. I feel guilty asking for some much help! Let the grandparents be!
If they want to help, great! if not....so what....they should be enjoying their own time....it is short.

whostolemyname · 20/07/2011 14:15

OP - your girlfriend sounds awful. Your mum sounds pretty helpful to me. And very unappreciated by your girlfriend.

neolara · 20/07/2011 14:15

Blimey. My PIL have looked after my dcs ONCE in 7 YEARS, for which I was very grateful. My parents have looked after my dcs a handful of times, for which I was very grateful. I think your girlfriend needs to get a grip.

sausagesandmarmelade · 20/07/2011 14:17

I think people forget that Grandparents have spent the majority of their lives bringing up and having responsibility for their own children.

In their old age they deserve to be able to do what they want to do...be it travel, take up hobbies or whatever.

That may well include spending lots of time doing special things with their grandchildren...but they shouldn't be EXPECTED to have them on a regular basis. It's hard work and a lot of responsibility...older people also get tired more easily.

cornflakegirl · 20/07/2011 14:18

Your mum is regularly arranging her social life around your childcare needs. She is fantastic and you should both be incredibly grateful.

My parents didn't buy DS2 a first birthday present - we wrapped up one of DS1's toys that had been stored in the loft. One year olds don't need a lot of stuff.

SpottyFrock · 20/07/2011 14:19

thinnigella, you're not serious? Shock

It is not selfish for GPs not to be at their adult children's beck and call. They have done their bit and raised their children. They don't exist to raise yours as well!

I cannot believe you are annoyed that your parents wont buy the type of milk you want for your child! Shock

Am I living on a different planet??