to think that you can't watch this and still want to buy eggs?

[Tollund]

Just to follow on from my epic veggie thread last week - it got me thinking and doing a bit more research and I stumbled across this .

It made me sob, I mean it's really upset me. I've stopped buying eggs from the supermarket about 6 months ago and just get free range from the farmer's market now, but having seen this I think I can only get them from a woman up the road who has a some of chickens and sells anything she has left over. I'd really like to keep chickens myself but we don't have the space at the moment unfortunately.

AIBU to think that you can't not rethink what you do after seeing that?

And to be ho est, i have no objection to eating humanely raised, humanely slaughtered animals infrequently. On a mixed farm where manure goes to the crops. Thats how it should be, not this mass production and slaughter.

Completely agree with that Riven.
There are farms that work like that, and they will increase if more people vot with their feet and buy their meat.
Sadly, the average shopper is more interested in a cheap deal than the welfare of the animal they are eating.

I still think that the suffering of humans should matter more than the suffering of animal/plants/insects. If you were starving in Kenya right now, you'd eat the egg or give it to your children and not be too concerned where it came from.

Just as a point of interest about soya formula, Faverolles, I have never been able to identify a reasonable argument for not feeding it without a doctor's advice and all that hoo-ha.

I've just read the (imho unconvincing) standard advice and then, read this.

I've not stopped to check the quality of research and peer-reviewing as I'm in a rush to get out but a quick glance had me nodding with approval. (Not that I'm a biologist or medic of course, so that means nothing more than I'm happy in myself about the advancement of soya milk). Just thought you might be interested. :)

There's a wind up merchant on every thread and MrSpoc is this thread's...

I accept that it's complicated. I can't even say that I condemn all meat eating in all circumstances (hear me out DBF!), for example indigenous tribes - I was reading about a Native American tribe and the ritual surrounding the killing of an animal for food, and it seemed so respectful that I find it hard to condemn them as wrong. But it's not something I could do, and am fortunate that it's not something I will ever have to.

Riveninside - a little out of context yes??? Nature intended us to eat meat & veg. You cannot deny that fact.

I agree farming is extreme but if you are saying the only other option we have is to be vegan then that is not really an option now is it. Give my a parcel of land and ill happily grow, rear my own crops & animals. I am a huge animal lover too so i can guarantee that they'll have a good live, but the end result will still be the same. Death for my plate. Hmmm nice.

Tollund I take it you dont eat meat then. No wonder you cannot understand that plants are also living things that suffer when you pick and eat them. Hard to stomache aint it.

Original poster........many attempts have, and still are made to help those people.

Just because they are suffering doesn't mean we should overlook suffering that we are facilitating/assisting etc!!

DBF - tbh, I've never looked into it, but have gone by the opinion of friends who ff, and my hv.
If they are to be believed, it's the industrialised process of extracting the milk, and the chemicals used that does not sit happy with them.
I think industrialisation has spoilt a lot of things, but without it, our lives would be a world away from what they are now.

"screams from plants"

I have heard it all now !!!

CARROTS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!

Hard to stomache isnt it.

new acoustic research on the stressful life of plants.
The findings, released by the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn, could have important implications for farmers since, with the proper eavesdropping device, one can now distinguish between healthy and sick vegetables. Talking to plants, it seems, is not as rewarding as listening to them.

Doctor Frank Kühnemann of Bonn University has been trapping the ethylene in a bell jar. The gas molecules are later bombarded with calibrated laser beams, which makes them vibrate. This produces a soundwave picked up by the microphones. ?The more a plant is subjected to stress, the louder the signal we get on our microphone,? he said.

ILT

I think that worrying about all the more minor injustices in the world distracts from the big issues, like children dying from preventable diseases every few seconds. It's like redecorating when your roof is leaking.

To me this suggests plants havve feelings too. So all you vegan's out there what will you eat now?

plants can also take a liking to a person. tests have also shown, that when a person, say a gardener enters a room of plants that he/she has been taking care of the stress level of the plants reduces. but if someone else were to enter the room that is always breaking off peices of the plant, the stress increases.

Mad i know

The notion that plants are capable of feeling emotions was first recorded in 1848, when Dr. Gustav Theodor Fechner, a German professor, suggested the idea in his book Nanna. He believed that plants are capable of emotions, just like humans or animals, and that one could promote healthy growth by showering plants with talk, attention, and affection.

One of the first to research the concept was the Indian scientist Sir Jagdish Chandra Bose, who began to conduct experiments on plants in the year 1900. He found that every plant and every part of a plant appeared to have a sensitive nervous system and responded to shock by a spasm just as an animal muscle does. One visitor to his laboratory,

I love eggs, I watched the video, didn't really like the mincing thing but the gas looked quick. As long as I know where my food is from that is my main concern, I don't buy meat from super markets and would only buy organic if I trusted the source, and I mean as in really trusted!!

MrSpoc, how does one test the stress levels of a plant?

Google it and you will find out. there have been loads of research into it as early as the 1800's.

It does sound far fetched. People dont like to think about it becasue what they cannot see, cannot hear wont affect them. So if Vegan's want to spout crap about eating meat is selfish and you are not a humane as vegan's then they are being very hypicritical.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows - beleive it or not they use a lie detector to test them. Something about water levels. Far to technical for me.

Get your own chickens. They are funny and lovely and you get fresh eggs every day. You don't need a rooster or to be at home all the time to look after them.

Plants talk to each other
www.newscientist.com/article/mg20928051.500-heard-it-on-the-grapevine-the-secret-society-of-plants.html

Vegan diets tend to involve huge amounts of total food miles (South American soya) and GM ingredients (pretty much anything that originates in the US)
and huge amounts of self delusion - most organic fertilisers are based on manure - which comes from the meat industry

I try to buy locally and buy my meat from a butcher who is proud to tell me the name of the farm it was reared on.
Actively working to raise welfare (and flavour) standards
rather than abdicating

And if you are vegan, don't drink organic wine or beer - they clear it with finings which are ground up fish swim bladders

But insomnia, the op is objecting to male chicks being killed.
The route to buying chickens is usually the hybrid route = hatched at big hatcheries, male chicks mashed or gassed.
Or you could go down the purebreed or hobby hatcher, but again that means that males are killed.
TBH, where eggs and chickens and involved, there is no escaping it.
If the op feels so strongly about this, the only option is to be a vegan.

Bollocks, so even if I have my own chickens it's still inhumane? Is there no way of doing it that's humane?

Does anyone know where to buy meat /eggs that does not support this ?
I am confused now as I assumed buying free range meant the bird had a decent living.I am not against eating meat but I do think people should respect and care about animal welfare.The usual excuse is budget.If I could not afford free range I would do without something else so I could afford the extra.

If you hatched out some chicks and kept them all regardless of sex, that wouldbe humane. You may hatch out all boys though.
Ohnoyoudidnt - we get our meat from a local butcher whose meat is sourced from local farms.
Chicken is trickier, because even if it is reared with high welfare standards, it still has a very intensive life.