to think that you can't watch this and still want to buy eggs?

[Tollund]

Just to follow on from my epic veggie thread last week - it got me thinking and doing a bit more research and I stumbled across this .

It made me sob, I mean it's really upset me. I've stopped buying eggs from the supermarket about 6 months ago and just get free range from the farmer's market now, but having seen this I think I can only get them from a woman up the road who has a some of chickens and sells anything she has left over. I'd really like to keep chickens myself but we don't have the space at the moment unfortunately.

AIBU to think that you can't not rethink what you do after seeing that?

"you breed animals to kill them?" well, yes, that's the whole basis of the meat industry. Male chicks aren't any different to any other animal we eat, it's no different to allowing them to grow bigger and then killing them for Sunday lunch.

For me, the main point is that they're killed humanely and live a good life while alive. Whether that is achieved by gassing or mincing is a moot point I guess and not one I feel qualified to have an opinion on.

DBF but you cause so much pain top the plants you pull up. All palnts you eat are living. Just because you cannot hear them scream.

There's a need for opium for those who are drug abusers too, faverolles.

That need desn't mean that it's acceptable or morally correct to supply opium just because there's a demand for it, does it?

We can all have our selfish "I want" list but I'm proud to say that 'I will eat the body parts of a sheep which has been murdered to satisfy my blood-lust because I want to and I can' is not upon mine.

DBF - im not vegan because i do eat eggs from my own 6 hens.

Thats just daft spoc

I think there will come a time when people eat less meat, and eat it responsibly, rather than the need people have developed for meat with every meal, which has brought about industrialised farming and the bad practises that go hand in hand with it.

There will be a need for dairy however, as long as there is a need for baby milk. DBF - you yourself have been on breastfeeding threads arguing for the right for women to feed their babies how they feel best, and I agree with you there, but without dairy (goat or cow, the outcome to the males is the same) the option is not there. There is soya formula, but I've read in several places that this has side effects and should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.
So would you have women lose the right to choose, or see babies suffering because there is no milk to modify into formula?

Why is it daft. Its the same principle. you dont like eating animals because they have feelings. So do plants. the differance is you cannot see them suffering.

Its simple eat what you want and dont bother about other people. Humans are designed to eat meat & veg. If we choose to eat meat, it does not mean we are less humane. Just that we are still at the top of the food chain.

MrSpoc That is really not funny.

OP it is very sad and of course YANBU.

Head lice have feelings too........ Do we let them live?

What????

I am not trying to be funny. People have gone off meat because they dont like to think about animals suffering. That is their choice but I find it hypicritical when they eat plants. Plants also suffer when you pick them to eat. There was a study done recently when they recorded what sounded like screams from plants when cooked (yes this sounds mental i know).

The thing is because people cannot see or hear plants suffering then they do not think about it and continue on happily whilst slating meat eaters as selfish. When to me its the same thing.

See ILoveTiffany has a point.

i like meat, i eat it
i like eggs, milk and cheese, i eat them

scare stories, stuff that tries to make me feel guilty or stuff trying to make me be "more responsible" wont work, i enjoy meat and animal products and will carry on doing so

DBF you are going to keep having the same repetitive discussion about your choice to feed your dog meat because you are the one who choses to go and buy dead factory farmed animals every week to feed to your pet animal.
People will pull you up on this every time you take the moral high ground until you change to vegan pet food or stop keeping dogs.

Crap, plants do not have a nervous system nor pain nerves. They do not have awareness.

How do you know that? How do you know they are not aware? The answer is with all the science in the world would not know that.

It is also a know fact playing music to plants help them grow. Some plants also need Male/Female plants to reproduce. They also re-act to light / Dark. THEY ARE LIVING. Just because you cannot har them scream does not mean they do not suffer.

faverolles, babies being fed soya milk vs animals kept in shit conditions, abused in slaughterhouses and needlessly murdered?

Do you honestly not know my answer to that one?

Favorelles, you make a very good point re hybrid hens. I was lectured by a novice keeper a few weeks ago about 'not breeding them pure breeds as it's irresponsible having to cull the boys'. She advocated sex link hybrids. I'm not sure if she though all the identified males would somehow evaporate in a puff of smoke . I have hatched chicks, on a very small scale, and have always managed to find them pet homes. But had that not happened, I would have culled. The hatch rate of males to females is approx. 50 %. One cockerel needs at least six hens with him if he isn't to injure them through over treading. Nature sorts this out by having the cocks fight to the death for dominance. Culling seems kinder IMO.

Also flycatchers have a nervous system that alerts them to when a fly has landed on them.

How mad a plant that eats meat.

Course they are living but without a nervous system. So what so you eat then oh peefect one?
And to be ho est, i have no objection to eating humanely raised, humanely slaughtered animals infrequently. On a mixed farm where manure goes to the crops. Thats how it should be, not this mass production and slaughter.
I dont eat meat or milk because that doesnt happen ive fou d.

Dilys seeing I have the higher moral ground over meat-eaters and vegetarians alike I don't think I'm answerable to anyone at all, actually. :)

I eat meat & veg because its naural. Its the way nature intended. I do hate people who try and turn me off meat as it is very hypicritical.

Well, answerable to no-one except perhaps Paul McCartney. :o

And I'll counter that by adding that I could never be answerable to anyone who had a hand in godawful bloody rackets like "She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah"!

DBF - I did suspect it, yes :)
But when it comes to it, and the majority of ffing parents are faced with the choice, they will go with the cows milk derived formula
For you it's a no-brainer, but for the majority of people living in a western culture, their choice is a no-brainer too.

I thought it was pretty humane. Until I saw the last 30 seconds with the fucking macerator.

How the hell is that legal, never mind "humane"?!

Nature intended intensive farming and the associated diseases? Seems a bit unnatural to me.