to think that you can't watch this and still want to buy eggs?

[Tollund]

Just to follow on from my epic veggie thread last week - it got me thinking and doing a bit more research and I stumbled across this .

It made me sob, I mean it's really upset me. I've stopped buying eggs from the supermarket about 6 months ago and just get free range from the farmer's market now, but having seen this I think I can only get them from a woman up the road who has a some of chickens and sells anything she has left over. I'd really like to keep chickens myself but we don't have the space at the moment unfortunately.

AIBU to think that you can't not rethink what you do after seeing that?

What about the poor vegatables? You do know they are also living.

Minced alive?? Barbaric!

Faverolles - just, well, just why?

You know the plight of the ex battery hens I presume?

And yet you deliberately breed and kill creatures?

Bearing in mind that there is no need to eat eggs, at all, you breed animals to kill them?

Just can't get my head around that but I know for sure what would be said if this were China's unwanted females we were speaking of.

I guess that any other creature's life just isn't important to you, that's all I can think of.

Tollund the chicks that are used as animal food are the gassed ones, I would say that gassing them would be far more humane than feeding them to an Eagle owl live, wouldn't you?

I don't have all the answers. I just can't believe anyone could watch that and think, "yeah well, that's alright because people/eagle owls need to eat eggs/chicks." I think it's really, really sad.

babydubs far better to tighten legislation on who can own an exotic pet in the first place. In the long run it would save a hell of a lot of abuse, harm by ignorance, illegal trafficking of exotics and so on as well as chicks.

(I'm NOT casting aspertions about your own care of George of course but speaking in general).

"If Slaughterhouses had glass walls" is another horrible vid. I won't link to it as its pretty grim. But easy enough to find on google. Its what tipped me over the edge and made me vegetarian.

It was horrible to watch but I forced myself to watch it all. Not something I'll ever watch again though.

Do you have dogs Dogsbestfriends?

Why just exotics, how many dogs are fed on a raw diet now which is advocated by so many dog threads on this forum???

DBF - I suppose growing up in farming territory makes it more an everyday practise, which I personally don't have a problem with.
True, everyone could become vegans, but I like going for walks and seeing all the different breeds of cows, pigs, sheep and chickens. The only way to keep these breeds going is, sadly, to breed and eat them.
One of the breeds I keep is rare to the point that there are less than fifty of them in this country. I feel it would be criminal to let thaws beautiful creatures die out.
I would hate for my grandchildren to have to see all the different breeds in a museum.
I don't feel I'm wrong in doing this, along with other chicken keepers, farmers, and actually every meat/egg eater in the country. I do see why you will never see that, having seen plenty of your posts, and I respect you for making that decision and sticking with it.

Im going to muzzel my cat to stop him eating flies! (strange indoor cat desperate to hunt you see!)

DBF - it's not just the plight of battery hens, free range and organically farmed chooks face much the same shitty conditions. But I'm sure you know that.

Riven you know I do. And I know your next question.

It's the same old one every time... and it's funny how human's normally don't like to be credited with no more intelligence than my dogs until it suits them.

I'll answer before you ask it - no my dogs are not vegan.

That's because I, as a human being, am aware of the consequences of eating meat and am capable of digesting a vegan diet too, without detriment to my system. My dogs, no, they have no capacity for understanding .

In short, I am the more evolved, the more civilised, I have humanity... my dogs do not.

What's the human meat-eater's excuse?

If I recall rightly, you're a Muslim veggie, aren't you, Riven?

And if we all went vegan, then what? Do you think farmers would keep all of the cows/sheep/chickens/pigs as pets? There'd be a mass cull and we'd no longer have them. In farming, males of all species are, unfortunately, surplus to requirements. What would you have farmers do? Set aside acres of land to raise and keep every male born on the farm? Being 'instantly gassed' isn't really that barbaric, is it? They will go to sleep and it will be reasonably quick and relatively pain free. And DBF, if you do own dogs, I assume they eat meat... what kind of animals do you suppose are thrown into dog food tins? Why, young males of course!

As I cross posted DBF and I did bring up your dog's diet, I will answer you this; my 'excuse' as a meat-eater is that I like meat. I wouldn't see what excuse I require beyond that. I don't feel guilty when I read articles about 'abused' animals, because, at the end of the day, they are raised to provide MEAT.

Tanif, see above re my dogs. As I said, that's the same old argument every time. If I sound bored of the tired old argument, sorry, but it's because I am bored of it!

What I'd have the farmers do is something which you really don't want to hear!

I'd imagine that there would be a far more gradual phasing out than a mass cull because the government says there will be no more meat production after 3pm next Thursday!

IMHO killing ANY healthy animal is fucking barbaric and I don't care how the frig it's done.

I don't feel guilty when the cow stampedes the slaughterhouseman, the bull gores the matador, the meat-eater contracts CJD...

DBF I understand you're emotive about this but the fact is no one is going to turn the world vegan. There are far more people like me that couldn't give a flying monkey how the steak on our plate was killed than there are people like you. It's sad but true.

Im a horrible meat eater. Would never dream of being a Vegan.
Eating meat is natural. It is how we are made.

"the fact is no one is going to turn the world vegan"

Absolutely correct.

But over the years education made people realise that black slavery was immoral and cruel, that child labour is the same.... it still goes on but progress has been made. My children won't start work in a factory at age 12 as my late Grandad did.

EIt won't be me who does it, I'm far too much of an extremist, but education, intelligence, progress... sounds like a plan to me.

Best of luck to you :) Seriously, I'm an avid meat-eater but if something genuinely is in the name of progress (as with abolishing slavery and child labour) then it will happen eventually. If not, c'est la vie, you'll toddle off this mortal coil knowing you contributed while savages like myself carried on blindly!

I am veggie but i do find pet owners hypocritical. The petfood industry is massive, cruel and supoorts the meat industry.

Vegetarians are not best placed to accuse vegans of hypocrisy.

But DBF - there is definitely a need for farming, for the majority of people who are meat eaters/dairy consumers.

I saw the thread title and though that people were going to be discussing the African drought. As in 'you can't watch it and still not donate...'

Compared to the plight of those people the treatment of chickens seems of less immediate concern. It is entirely possible that more humans are going to die in this drought than in the holocaust.

I buy local free range eggs and hope that the moral wrongs of my purchase are balanced out by trying to donate what we can to support humans less fortunate than ourselves.