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For being furious at DH telling DSD that my degree isn't a real degree?

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TooFarGone · 12/07/2011 12:20

So DH is sat down with his DD taking about careers etc. He says to her "these days, you need a job that pays at least £20k a year but at the same time, you don't want to be stressing yourself out with difficult degrees and stuff. You want to enjoy your time at uni. That's why I think nursing would be ideal for you! you get to go to uni, you don't have to do a difficult degree and you get a well paid job at the end of it!".

So DSD says "But isn't a degree in nursing going to be just as difficult?" and he replied "no course not, they call it a degree but its not like a real degree".

I'm furious as I worked bloody hard to get my degree and he knows this. It isn't an "easy option" at all. I had it out with him and he apologised for upsetting me but still maintains that nursing is an easy alternative to doing a "real" degree.

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MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 20:34

My opinions are my own, my mother just backs them up with the knowledge that she possesses.

And I should have waited. Then complained that she hadn't read my mind enogh to know that I needed water. The bitch. She should also be taking me to the toilet, bringing me every single meal on a place and then spoon-feeding me, rubbing my feet and fluffing my pillows whilst simultaneously doing a tapdance just to keep me entertained. After all, I AM pregnant!

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 20:35

Apologies - Placemat

Sassybeast · 15/07/2011 20:37

Catgirl - Sassybeast is to busy snogging the hunky SHO in the linen cupboard to care Wink

catgirl1976 · 15/07/2011 20:38

Grin ooh you dirty minx......make sure you tell him how awed you are by his cleverness and power!

Wamster · 15/07/2011 20:39

Oh come on now, MummyTigger, you're having me on... Your opinions are definitely not your own.

Sassybeast · 15/07/2011 20:40

Am only attracted to his degree certificate yunno? And the fact that he carries his own hip flask so no pesky jugs to worry about...

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 20:40

Neither are yours, in that case. Hmm

catgirl1976 · 15/07/2011 20:41

oh god yes - there is nothing hotter than a man who is in control of his own liquid supplies...mmmm

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 20:42

Oh but the jug isn't the point, Sassy! Regardless of what he drinks from, a nurse should be following him around 24/7 just to make sure he doesn't become even the slightest bit dehydrated. And if she gets it wrong, just tap them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper. That'll teach them the error of their ways.

Do it enough and you may even train them to do other tricks too, like save your life. They really are useful, these nurses.

Wamster · 15/07/2011 21:16

Yeah, very useful, unless, of course, you happen to be an elderly person who happened to have the misfortune of being under the care of the 3 out of 12 trusts where you were not fed and watered properly.
Perhaps not so useful then.

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 21:25

Oh they're still useful even in those three. Those three probably just have better things to do than the food rounds.

Oh, and considering that this was just in England, where there are at least 60 NHS trusts, then I'd probably be joyful over the fact that only three are underperforming. And it was back in 2009, according to every article I've managed to find. So not only is it very much the minority, it isn't even recent statistics.

If you feel so strongly about it - then get your butt back into nursing and change it. Otherwise - stop with the complaints.

Wamster · 15/07/2011 21:35

HA HA HA. You genuinely think that doing food rounds is irrelevant. That is **ing ludicrous. What could be more important than making sure people get fed?!
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Without food, people die! You're a clown you really are.

I know nurses are busy, but, for goodness sake, NO qualified nurse thinks giving food is unimportant!

Wamster · 15/07/2011 21:40

Yes, the qualified nurse may delegate the tasks to a nursing assistant as she is carrying out more complex tasks, fair enough, and if she is so rushed off her feet she hasn't the time to make sure this is done, she goes home and feels like shit and gets angry as people have gone hungry.
But for you to come out with a ludicrous statement like 'those three probably just have better things to do than the food rounds' is just ridiculous.

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 21:42

It is all about priorities. Two Nurses on a ward of 20 people have to make sure that everything gets done. At the bottom of the pile is the food and the drink, because it isn't their duty. Do you ask your canteen staff to come up and fix your computer? No. Precisely. I've said this a hundred times. You aren't listening. More fool you. And I love how I'm the only person you seem to want to argue with - others are just being left for dust. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy :)

1944girl · 15/07/2011 21:43

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floosiemcwoosie · 15/07/2011 21:46

So who is responsible for the food and drink? if you have a patient with dementia for example, who assists them?

Wamster · 15/07/2011 21:52

I am not suggesting that nurses qualified spoonfeed their patients, but they should at least find out whether or not they've eaten.
Do you see my point of view? I am not expecting nurses to actually do the feeding, just to make sure that it has been done. It is important nurses ascertain if people have eaten, can you not see this?
'Has Mrs so-and-so eaten? As I know need to give her her meds and can't on an empty stomach.' that kind of thing.

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 21:52

The NA's primarily. Some also have specific people to come in and make sure everyone who needs assistance gets it. What Wamster is trying to make a big show of is some horrible nurses left her without any water for a few hours, and not only was she too tired to ask, she thinks they should be psychic and "anticipate" the patients needs. If they could "anticipate patient needs" then no-one would ever die, would they? They'd be waiting at the end of the bed with all the necessary equipment.

Nurses also cannot be expected to run around after the NA's making sure that they do their job, because otherwise the position of NA's would become obsolete. I've linked several times to a blog that I really recommend everyone reads, the main article being this one right here, which highlights just how horrendous a situation nurses are in.

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 21:54

Wamster - the catering staff, regardless of whether the food has been eaten or not, collect in all of the trays within a certain time frame. You'd know this if you read any of the links I've posted.

floosiemcwoosie · 15/07/2011 21:54

Who do the NA's report to? i.e. who supervises/manages them?

floosiemcwoosie · 15/07/2011 21:55

If the food hasn't been eaten, is this recorded? And if so what action is taken?

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 22:00

No, it's more than often not recorded because again - this takes time away from people who are emergency cases. Nurses need to prioritise because senior management refuse point blank to give then a normal nurse-to-patient ratio.

I've already said previously that it's wrong. But it isn't the fault of the nurses, which Wamster seems to think. IT. IS. NOT. THEIR. FAULT. No nurse is "too posh to wash" or "too educated to feed", they just don;t have the time because they have so many other pressing duties at hand.

If your loved one were having a heart attack at half past 6 in the evening, would you like to hear "I'm sorry, we'll have to leave him there for a moment as all of our nurses are currently feeding the 18-or-so patients who can't feed themselves"? Because if I heard that, I'd go ballistic. People will die if the nurses are piddling about feeding the patients rather than performing the nursing duties that they are trained to do. And if management actually cared, they'd do something about it. But they don't care. They just want the nurses to take the blame.

floosiemcwoosie · 15/07/2011 22:07

No i wouldnt like to hear that. Why should I have to choose between heart attack or starvation? Neither is it good practice not to record if someone is not eating. Nursing seems to be veering away from the caring role towards a very task orientated ethos. Surely good nutrition is part of good health care and is vital for recovery. Is there emergencies all day that every member of staff attends? How long does it take to write "hasnt eaten today?

MummyTigger · 15/07/2011 22:10

If you want to know the shit nurses deal with - read that blog. Then come back and tell me that "nurses just don't give a shit". They KNOW it's vital for recovery... and OMG NO WAY it says that right at the TOP of that blog. Why is no-one bothering to read it? It would sort out hours of people asking inane questions and bitching about slipping standards of care.

At this point I'd try and bring it back to the original post, but having tried that five times in the past and had my efforts ignored, I think I may just go to bed.

floosiemcwoosie · 15/07/2011 22:14

I am not asking inane questions or bitching about slipping standards of care. I am question a public service, as is my right. A service that I have experience of both personally and professional.