For being furious at DH telling DSD that my degree isn't a real degree?

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So DH is sat down with his DD taking about careers etc. He says to her "these days, you need a job that pays at least £20k a year but at the same time, you don't want to be stressing yourself out with difficult degrees and stuff. You want to enjoy your time at uni. That's why I think nursing would be ideal for you! you get to go to uni, you don't have to do a difficult degree and you get a well paid job at the end of it!".

So DSD says "But isn't a degree in nursing going to be just as difficult?" and he replied "no course not, they call it a degree but its not like a real degree".

I'm furious as I worked bloody hard to get my degree and he knows this. It isn't an "easy option" at all. I had it out with him and he apologised for upsetting me but still maintains that nursing is an easy alternative to doing a "real" degree.

No I left of my own accord and was not 'pushed' at all. Not that is any of your business, mind.

MummyTigger who are you to call a degree in Fine Art or History easy?

MummyTigger, nurses are deemed to be professionals who should seek out their own developme

Typo. Obviously.

The onus is on nurses to keep up to date with current practice .Some of it is mandatory Resus,Moving and Handling etc.
Most areas have a Current Practice Facilitator(CPF) who works alongside nurses on the wards to ensure they develop their skills and to ensure their practice is up to date and safe. I know that in some areas the CPF role is being cut to save money. Nurses can then specialize if they wish and undertake further qualifications -eg ICU,Urology,Cardiac care.
They continue to develop their skills and knowledge throughout their nursing careers .This is why potential nurses are now undertaking degree courses to bring them up to date with current nursing practice and knowledge.

Fair enough Wamster my apologies .

You see MummyTigger, you come on here acting as if you know everything about nursing (OK, I have been out of it for a while, but still I know the basics of it and what is expected), spouting your mouth off about everything to do with it, when you don't even know that it is up to the nurses to keep up to date with developments in practice! It's supposed to be a profession, after all, and this is what professionals are supposed to do (no sarcasm meant).
And you've the nerve to talk down to me.

I do apologise to Hermionesjumper, thankfully, I never had any real grief during time as nurse, but if it is the case that nurses have to report any complaints about care to line manager then obviously this is not a good thing.

Oh for goodness sake. I don't think ANY degree is "easy". Note the "" around it. It's just another way of you having a dig at me in a very passive-aggressive manner. Wamster, you need to stop taking things so literally over the internet - you even went so far as to believe that someone was actually Mumsnetting whilst adjusting a patient's ventilator, when it was obvious that person was just being facetious to make a point.

Bottom line is - in my opinion the decision to go to University is a tough one in itself, and whilst other courses are perceived to be "easy", Nursing should be one that is as highly praised as other degrees are.

And HermionesJumper - take away the CPF? God, they just think they can do what they like and no-one will notice.

Yes, and I was being facetious back.

And I'm the one who was trying to have a civilised discussion about the original post. You just decided to come in and troll the boards, spoiling for a bunfight and getting about ten different posters incensed with your narrow views. I don't pretend to know all, I just happen to open my ears and LISTEN to other people!

I did a Philosphy degree for 2 years and switched as it was so easy I was bored witless. Bet a nursing degree would have kept me challenged though.

You really need to stop being naive. 'God, they just think they can do what they like'. Here is news for you- they can! Not good (not good at all) that they can but they can all the same!

Now, now MummyTigger, you really need to stop taking things so literally over the internet...

Well, yes... that was exactly what I said . And of course, when nurses aren't totally up to speed, they'll be blamed for the lack of re-training.

Wamster I view reporting my concerns to my line manager as my duty.I view it as a way to improve patient care.
Therefore I dont view it as a bad thing -nurses need the right resources to provide adequate care - enough appropriately qualified staff,enough supplies etc .If I dont report my concerns then change cannot take place.

But degrees are NOT highly praised these days.
About 30 years or so ago -maybe even 20 or so years ago- to get to university and obtain a degree was not an everyday thing.
Nowadays, it seems that about half the population are venturing into higher education.

I can only conclude that one of two things have happened:
a, the nation has got much brighter
b, degrees have dumbed down

Anything that is deemed to have worth usually has worth because it is unusual or hard to come by. What good is a degree in the job market if every other person has one?

As a teacher Wamster, you should be ideally placed to tell us if the nation has dumbed down.

Do you not encourage your students to aim for degrees?

I would not want someone with that attitude teaching my children I am afraid.

YANBU - I have a BAHons from a Russell Group University, from recollection I did a weighty 10 hours of lectures per week! Certainly not too taxing. I had to work hard to get a good degree towards the end but I coasted the first year, worked a bit harder in my second and finally put in the hard work in the last year. Nursing sounds like bloody hard work all the way through, plus the joy of working with arrogant consultants and ungrateful patients

You really are just an arse, aren't you? I'd find it forgivable if you hadn't just carried on. I've tried to be nice, see it from your side, everything. I think you just want to be a troll for the sake of it. And I'm not just "calling" troll because I can - it's because I really can't believe anyone could be this much of a complete git. Then again I have a history of not seeing the bad in people until it's too late. More fool me.

Hermionesjumper, well that is good that you see this in a positive way- and you can always say that you did make your concerns known which is very wise- but I can see why some nurses may be put off complaining for fear of reprisals.

And BeansGloriousBeans - that's not a wild generalisation for the most part - you've got it bang on I'm reckoning. And every consultant I've ever seen in my pregnancy or discussed with my mother has been arrogant to the point of a god-complex. Not saying all are, but I'm betting at least 50% are.

MummyTigger and you are naive, talk a lot about things of which you personally know very little ('my mum says'- very toddler-like this) and need a reality check into how the world actually operates.

Well her mum is a nurse. Oral testimony is primary evidience Wamster - isn't that what they teach children.

I dont just want to make my concerns known Wamster so that I can "cover my back" I want to improve the standard of care of my patients.
This what Nurses around the country are doing every day.

Im going to go off into RL now.I think I have said everything I can from the point of view of a completely dedicated ,passionate nurse- its my life.

I havent made excuses or blamed anyone else- I have shown how nurses are responding to CQC reports and trying to affect positive change/improve care.

Nursing students are going to undertake Degrees to bring their practice up to the standards required today .The old RN course is no longer deemed adequate (bear in mind that the RNs currently practising have undergone extensive studying throughout their careers- many to degree level ).
This is what bites you doesnt it Wamster ?
Oh and by the way Nursing is a profession
Nurses pay a professional registration fee to the NMC