as a long-time Guardian reader to feel just a hint of Schadenfreude?

[Batteryhuman]

That's it really. And to hope that the rest of Murdoch's grubby empire gets the same treatment. The MPs don't appear to be cared of Rupert any more.

There are PLENTY of decent. hard-working, journalists at the NOTW - I used to be one of them and know plenty of others.

No doubt Nancy66 there are. However, is there any national newspaper that can hand on heart say they have never hacked a phone, paid for info etc. unfortunately people do get tarred with the same brush unless they take a stand - bit like drugs in cycling. i hope the whole pack of cards falls down and no one thinks that a bit of hacking / money even if it involves only sleazy celebs is acceptable. i hope that the decent notw journos get the kind of jobs they deserve elsewhere and the others can just do the other thing imo

I doubt there is any news organisation - print or TV that hasn't paid a police contact for a story. Some of the biggest, most important scoops/exposes of all time would probably not have been possible without doing so.

it's not just journalists, it's picture guys, snappers, PAs, subs, cleaners, canteen staff... they had fuck-all to do with this and are going to lose their jobs. they simply will not be re-employed, that is a load of nonsense in this job climate, they are being sent to the scrap heap.

i find all this crowing absolutely sickening, tbh, when the govt and police and Every Other Newspaper (apart perhaps the guardian, although the observer not, apparently) is up to their necks in this. you're all just falling for another bunch of media-spun outrage, because they don't want people going after the big picture.

Aitch - I suspect those more poorly paid workers will ahve a further role in the production of the new 7-day Sun.

I think it's great that Grauniad readers can have a moment of celebration. It was heavily earned and the reporters knew they would be 'investigated' by all sorts of shits employed by RM, and reported anyway.

Pan you have no basis for saying that, and in fact it goes against the whole point of a 7-day Sun, but if that makes you feel better...

no it doesn't make me feel better at all. Any newspaper will still need distribution points and staff, cleaners, 'snappers' who are self-employed in any case etc

the bigger picture of this thread isn't about those individuals. It's about feeling justified in the breaching of RM's dam re news reporting in this country, and contributing to reminding us all of the need for pluralism in news management.

Pah, grrr & fuck.

It's no triumph, it's a plaster over a great festering boil.

& the Grauniad has never used underhand methods?

'tis a shining beacon of light in a bubbling swamp?

A great big, shiny, non-partisan rainbow of truth.

Lovely.

Enjoy it.

The demise of the NotW means.................?

Precisely nothing in media terms.

All will go on as before.

Under a different name.

I think the last few weeks, and the months to come will lead to a tighening up of regulation, such as the PCC being either ended or re-born with some new effective powers. The actions and stubborness of the Grauniad staff has been massively vindicated, and should be celebrated.

and if journalists actions on the Guardian can be shown to have been illegal then lets see the evidence?

I hate both the NOTW and the Guardian equally (possibly the guardian more so), but still no problem feeling a bit of Schadenfraude seeing the NOTW get their commupance

Pan, they will NOT staff one 7-day paper to the same degree as they had to staff two entirely separate newspapers. it's really embarrassing for you to suggest that they will. this was always the plan anyway, as a cost-cutting exercise, as was announced by Brooks a couple of weeks ago, the name change is by the by. COST-cutting, you understand? less money being spent on fewer employees. fewer employees = people on scrapheap. but keep doing that happy dance.

oh spare me Aitch. Of course the proportions of staff needed are different, but you are, I know, missing the point, which is a bit embarrasing for you. The thread was about the schadenfreude to be experienced by Grauniad readers, not "crowing" as you say, and are apparently sickened by. So yes, I think there IS room for a sense of celebration, tho' tempered by what could come next.

Happy dance? Maybe, rather than your myopic stumbling around the dance floor whilst mumbling 'you're just as bad as everyone else', when you know they aren't. It isn't a fuelled out rage. It's evidence-based disregard for any standards of any kind, be it personal or professional. But maybe when you lie with dogs you do get flies, eh?

Pan - are you young or just happily naive?

Pan, Pan, Pan......

Really - you're telling me the Graun is NON-PARTISAN????

You are crowing.

You know you are.

There are ways & means, is anyone REALLY suprised by the NotW's behaviour?

Really?

If they are I am a little surprised.

Did you not notice the way media & politics were erring in the last 30 years?

wtf are you talking about, Pan? will ignore last para as it is barely coherent.

the POINT of this entire story is that the government and certain sections of the media and the metropolitan police have been colluding for years to cover the truth up.

only the guardian has pursued it, and one presumes they are very confident that their hands are clean on this matter (bloody good show for them if so). crowing about people losing their jobs when they had fuck all to do with the crimes is loathsome behaviour, it is going on all over little britain tonight, and you do decent people a disservice with this 'oh don't worry they'll all get jobs elsewhere' bull. they WON'T.

there are already rumblings that it is convenient for the govt and for the cops if the NOTW is the only paper to go down for this, so people who care about justice at all must keep their celebrations to themselves for the moment and keep the pressure on to actually tackle the problem rather than cheer that the big bad bogeyman has taken a minor hit.

btw schadenfreude synonymous with crowing so that's not really a hair that can be split.

"schadenfreude". In speaking of the emotional ... To crow over another is to enjoy his humiliation, to indulge in schadenfreude. ..."

(and i speak, btw, as 'a long-time Guardian reader'. and many more newspapers besides.)

Can only agree with you Aitch.

The lovely, lovely, clean Guardian.

Their journalism is so pure.

& everone else is a fecker.

This time.

my last para is nicely coherent - you just don't like it. And I don't see the OP crowing about people losing their jobs. I do see you being tres mealy-mouthed, and trying to deflect a very significant coup for the G. in terms of helping highlight a horrible and illegal malpratice, toward to an outrage about the loss of staff on one moribund enterprise. And by dint of that, minimise the success of the G. Poor show, Aitch.

btw I am not even a Guardian reader, But am willing to recognise their achievement, which you are showing yourself too small to get round to doing.

schadenfreude isn't synonymous with crowing - its a pleasure taken, which can be a private, and the OP talks of 'just a hint' of it. So please don't mis-use the term for a simple gain.

'my last para is nicely coherent' - if you are Dutch.

'you just don't like it' - If you are sensible

I believe I am right in saying that the Guardian attracts more legal complaints for inaccuracies per year than any other newspaper.....

Seven day operations are always about cost cutting and friend atNIsays itwas always the plan to make The Sun seven days - The Times too. The whole point about seven days isyou do not have two teams, just one. Many of those redundant workers willreally struggle to get another job, the work situation in print media is dreadful.

And the people who fostered that culture of 'anything goes,' are getting away with it at the expense of ordinary folk.

And anyone who has workedat a tabloid or an agency will have paid for stories - yes evenGuardianjournalists.