as a long-time Guardian reader to feel just a hint of Schadenfreude?

[Batteryhuman]

That's it really. And to hope that the rest of Murdoch's grubby empire gets the same treatment. The MPs don't appear to be cared of Rupert any more.

[OTheHugeManatee]

Apols if anyone has said this before, but if you've got it in for Murdoch and his tabloids you should not be feeling schadenfreude right now - you should be feeling rage.

Closing the NOTW is not just retribution. It's Murdoch dodging a bullet.

It's quite common in cowboy property development companies to form a company, build a shoddy estate full of poor workmanship, unfinished ducts and bad wiring. The company is then declared bankrupt and its assets sold to a 'new' company. Meanwhile, people buy the houses, move in, and start seeing everything fall to pieces around them. But when they try and get in touch with the building company, they discover that it's 'gone bust'. And even if exactly the same people are trading just down the road, doing exactly the same thing but under a new name they can't touch them.

That's what Murdoch is doing right now. If NOTW is shut down no proper enquiry can happen, there will be no retribution, and I'm willing to bet that substantially the same staff will be hired back again to run The Sun on Sunday.

There's nothing here to feel pleased about at all.

[AitchTwoOh]

as i understand it (it's not my field) tabloid journalism is very specialised, so once that's your job, these are the people you are working for. i think what the PM was saying at the press conference is that they are all at it, he made a point of repeating that other papers were likely involved, so you are really saying that all tabloid journalists should re-train - and do what? these papers are the best-selling in the country... it will be interesting to see what happens to NoTW sales on Sunday (i'll be buying one, for sure) and in the longer term to the Sunday Sun.

[Greythorne]

nancy66
where did you get that about the Guardian / inaccuracies?
Interested.

I do know that the Guardian is the only newspaper to routinely publish notes and corrections.

[Ormirian]

Why would honest decent jourmalists want to work for notw though?

[annoyingdevil]

There are plenty of decent, honest journalists out there, I worked with them for many years, including some at the News of the World. Feel very sorry for those losing their jobs, whilst Murdoch and co still get to run their crooked empire.

[AitchTwoOh]

"I do see you being tres mealy-mouthed, and trying to deflect a very significant coup for the G. in terms of helping highlight a horrible and illegal malpratice, toward to an outrage about the loss of staff on one moribund enterprise. And by dint of that, minimise the success of the G. Poor show, Aitch. "

Pan, you are wildly off the mark, i think the Guardian has done a great job on this story, plugging away at it for YEARS when other papers refused to cover it. I can't see how that is remotely in question. i merely remind the people on this thread and across FB and Twitter to query WHY the other papers might not be covering it, and quit crowing about the closure of the NOTW because unless you are absolutely brainless it's quite clear that the NOTW is the tip of the iceberg.

Apparenty David Cameron agrees with me, hence all the public enquiries.

[myfriendflicka]

Interesting to see how all these posters who have come here to say they "despise all journalists" - like mrschubb and others - are so very keen to spend their time/money on a site set up by two journalists, and therefore increase their influence/profits with every word they write.

Doesn't that stick in your throat a bit - or are you just thick?

[choccyp1g]

Great to see the NOTW closed, but I fear it is actually a cynial plan to save money. Apparently he has plans to produce the Sun on Sunday, without any extra costs, because they have already imposed 7-day working onto the staff. Some of the NOTW "journalists" might get work on the Sun, but all the admin, layout, printing, packing etc, will be covered by spreading the Sun workers a bit thinner for no extra pay.

Also, they'll be trying to ring-fence the finances, so that they can minimise the cost of any damages or fines.

[RubberDuck]

Don't get too complacent:

4 guardian/observer employees caught paying for private information - better than most of them, but still not totally innocent.

And I say that as a long-term Guardian reader.

[olderyetwider]

What has struck me in all the frenzy about the NOTW (loathe it btw) is that nobody has mentioned the role of those who buy papers to read salacious gossip. If there wasn't a market for this crap, the NOTW wouldn't have nearly as much reason to go digging for it.

The demise of the NOTW is, in my opinion, a cynical move by Murdoch to get out of the shit. Bet he was planning to replace it anyway!

[NormanTebbit]

Seven day operations are always about cost cutting and friend atNIsays itwas always the plan to make The Sun seven days - The Times too. The whole point about seven days isyou do not have two teams, just one. Many of those redundant workers willreally struggle to get another job, the work situation in print media is dreadful.

And the people who fostered that culture of 'anything goes,' are getting away with it at the expense of ordinary folk.

And anyone who has workedat a tabloid or an agency will have paid for stories - yes evenGuardianjournalists.

[Nancy66]

I believe I am right in saying that the Guardian attracts more legal complaints for inaccuracies per year than any other newspaper.....

[spiderslegs]

'my last para is nicely coherent' - if you are Dutch.

'you just don't like it' - If you are sensible

[AwesomePan]

schadenfreude isn't synonymous with crowing - its a pleasure taken, which can be a private, and the OP talks of 'just a hint' of it. So please don't mis-use the term for a simple gain.

[AwesomePan]

my last para is nicely coherent - you just don't like it. And I don't see the OP crowing about people losing their jobs. I do see you being tres mealy-mouthed, and trying to deflect a very significant coup for the G. in terms of helping highlight a horrible and illegal malpratice, toward to an outrage about the loss of staff on one moribund enterprise. And by dint of that, minimise the success of the G. Poor show, Aitch.

btw I am not even a Guardian reader, But am willing to recognise their achievement, which you are showing yourself too small to get round to doing.

[spiderslegs]

Can only agree with you Aitch.

The lovely, lovely, clean Guardian.

Their journalism is so pure.

& everone else is a fecker.

This time.

[AitchTwoOh]

(and i speak, btw, as 'a long-time Guardian reader'. and many more newspapers besides.)

[AitchTwoOh]

btw schadenfreude synonymous with crowing so that's not really a hair that can be split.

"schadenfreude". In speaking of the emotional ... To crow over another is to enjoy his humiliation, to indulge in schadenfreude. ..."

[AitchTwoOh]

wtf are you talking about, Pan? will ignore last para as it is barely coherent.

the POINT of this entire story is that the government and certain sections of the media and the metropolitan police have been colluding for years to cover the truth up.

only the guardian has pursued it, and one presumes they are very confident that their hands are clean on this matter (bloody good show for them if so). crowing about people losing their jobs when they had fuck all to do with the crimes is loathsome behaviour, it is going on all over little britain tonight, and you do decent people a disservice with this 'oh don't worry they'll all get jobs elsewhere' bull. they WON'T.

there are already rumblings that it is convenient for the govt and for the cops if the NOTW is the only paper to go down for this, so people who care about justice at all must keep their celebrations to themselves for the moment and keep the pressure on to actually tackle the problem rather than cheer that the big bad bogeyman has taken a minor hit.

[spiderslegs]

There are ways & means, is anyone REALLY suprised by the NotW's behaviour?

Really?

If they are I am a little surprised.

Did you not notice the way media & politics were erring in the last 30 years?

[spiderslegs]

Pan, Pan, Pan......

Really - you're telling me the Graun is NON-PARTISAN????

You are crowing.

You know you are.

[spiderslegs]

Pan - are you young or just happily naive?

[AwesomePan]

oh spare me Aitch. Of course the proportions of staff needed are different, but you are, I know, missing the point, which is a bit embarrasing for you. The thread was about the schadenfreude to be experienced by Grauniad readers, not "crowing" as you say, and are apparently sickened by. So yes, I think there IS room for a sense of celebration, tho' tempered by what could come next.

Happy dance? Maybe, rather than your myopic stumbling around the dance floor whilst mumbling 'you're just as bad as everyone else', when you know they aren't. It isn't a fuelled out rage. It's evidence-based disregard for any standards of any kind, be it personal or professional. But maybe when you lie with dogs you do get flies, eh?

[AitchTwoOh]

Pan, they will NOT staff one 7-day paper to the same degree as they had to staff two entirely separate newspapers. it's really embarrassing for you to suggest that they will. this was always the plan anyway, as a cost-cutting exercise, as was announced by Brooks a couple of weeks ago, the name change is by the by. COST-cutting, you understand? less money being spent on fewer employees. fewer employees = people on scrapheap. but keep doing that happy dance.

[mayorquimby]

I hate both the NOTW and the Guardian equally (possibly the guardian more so), but still no problem feeling a bit of Schadenfraude seeing the NOTW get their commupance