The Non-Feminist Point of View

[JamesHuff]

I have noticed over the last while that the Feminist section has grown over the last bit.

This does not surprise me, but I feel compelled to ask why this site has begun to ascribe to a sociopolitical ideology when it was originally a resource for parents.

I think that as a result of this discrepancy, non-feminist points of view should have their own section as well. I hope people who disagree with inequalities feminism has created within our legislation will be compelled to express themselves more often.

I don't see it as unreasonable. Since there will be disagreements on various topics, I just figure a non-feminist based section would be in order. This way parents have a choice that reflects both sides of the coin.

There's worse than that on the internet you know.

so why not directly challenge him on his views

what would be the point ?

we get regular site invasions by nobs like this

they don't want a proper discussion, they want to cause bunfights and piss themselves laughing

so I might as well get the laughs in first

I have better things to do with my time than engage with fuckwits

and I think having a laugh with my mates at said fuckwits, is a much better way to use it

AnyFucker "ILYT...did you actually see the blog post where he stated quite clearly he was coming to Mn to cause trouble, sir up the "bees nest" (as he put it) and would be reporting back ?
Your responses on this thread will give him great copy.
MN'ers disagreeing amongst themselves over the big bad man ?
It's wank fodder, seriously"

If you disagree absolutely with the status quo on a forum, then I expect it would be quite gratifying to 'stir up the bees nest'. But he wasn't offensive, was he, in his post? So the stirring up was done entirely by y'all, getting so insulting and fucking childish. To me, a better response would have been a series of brief, calm rebuttals of his deluded views.

That wouldn't have given him any copy, whereas the responses on this thread have given him and them more wank fodder than you could ever dream of, I'm sure.

I try not to look too hard; it's bad enough IRL :(

^PrinceHumperdink Wed 29-Jun-11 21:14:53

Trill's always right.^

Can I put that on my CV? :o

funnily enough, one of my earliest posts on the thread was "do not engage with it"

but no-one ever listens to that, do they ?

"they don't want a proper discussion, they want to cause bunfights and piss themselves laughing"

Mission achieved and then some, in that case.

celadon "Fawning round him with lots of lovely posts and offering a listening ear is only going to stroke his ego."

Yes, fawning, that's what I was doing.

"I have not posted until now because i think the best thing to do is ignore him entirely. But if we can't ignore him, we certainly should not take him seriously."

Personally, I would have ignored him, because I can't be arsed to engage with people whose minds I cannot change. But I wouldn't choose to use personal and inappropriate sexual insults towards them.

"Well when he comes back in his next incarnation, after having been banned multiple times by MNHQ (I presume they are in error too), I will sit back and read your reasoned debate with him with interest, ILYT."

See above.

"wish you hadn't pandered to it ilyt. i don't think you get it."

It's the people giving him the bunfight he craves who are pandering to him.

"wish you hadn't pandered to it ilyt. i don't think you get it."

See above. I really don't think you get it.

He got the same response he would have gotten had he come here from a Homophobic site, looking for a Homophobic section to be set up. I have read his blog and the links and clearly the guy is out to confirm his already deeply held beliefs. Had everyone agreed with him, he would have proclaimed victory. The fact that everyone disagreed with him (in his mind) proves what he set out to do. The posts here were immaterial to his very skewed view of the world.

I hope this guy eventually gets the help he needs.

If you are reading this James, you are not going to get it on a site that enables and normalises your problems, nor are you going to get it on sites that will not welcome your cognitive distortions. You must go to a qualified professional and stop fannying about on the internet believing yourself to be on a mission. Life is too short. Get help. Good luck.

Blast and fucking damn, I have skimmed/ reread whole thread, and it is not nearly as insulting as it seemed to me to be earlier.

I still believe and will defend the right for any deluded and offensive fucker person to debate their strongly held and controversial views, so long as they do so in a polite and reasonable fashion.

I still hold the same personal opinions of the OP (based on what I read) that I did earlier, but rereading the thread, the pisstaking was not as vicious as I felt it was earlier. I can blame the wine, but I'm not abdicating my responsibility. I involuntarily laughed at several points on rereading.

I still think that if you think someone is trolling, then either ignore, report, or put your point across calmly, rather than the huge mean pisstake. But I'm aware that I have participated in and enormously enjoyed some of those exact same threads, so I'm just going to eat my words, finally go to bed, and namechange in the morning come back to MN afresh tomorrow.

I'm a feminist in the sense that I believe in equal opportunities for women, I don't buy all the gender geared crap for my DD's etc but I wear make-up, want to look nice for my DH, wear a push up bra (I like the way my boobs look in clothes with it on) and wax/shave my legs, armpits and labia.

Some call me an anti-feminist but this is my way.

But ILYT - he and his ilk are throwing sexual insults at us, all the time. Did you see the sites he's come from? We posts politely enough but he's not saying anything - several times he's been asked to define what antimisandry means to him. I've asked, in case I've somehow gotten the wrong end of the stick () but he's not answered. Cos he doesn't want debate.

Can't help but notice your use of Twat and Cunt as insults, they're sexual insults.

LauLauLemon loads of feminists do those things, I do, no one has ever called me antifeminist because of it. Well, no one who is informed. It's a very common misconception that feminists want to patrol peoples' wardrobes. They do like to analyse the why and how of things that concern women, such as clothing.

Crossed with your last post ILYT.

I've met quite a few misinformed feminists who believe their way is the only way and how dare I look the way I want to look as it's all perpetuated by men and the men who control the media and....

I wish they'd go away and leave me to thinking of ways we can help, not hinder, future feminists.

I haven't met any who'd say 'How dare you put on lipstick...etc'
But most of them would agree that beauty norms are set by society, yes.

I get it in the neck for doing too much housework, cooking too many meals, being a SAHM while freelancing, putting on make up, shaving, wearing low cut dresses, having my hair done etc. stupid little things that make me seem like less of a feminist to them.

Not that I care too much. I tend not to associate with these people.to be fair, they're just out of university and I'm pretty sure they just clicked a google search result at random and became a feminist from the ideals of one ill informed paragraph.

People argue feminism (for or against) on the feminist board. There is no need for 2 topics.